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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6266201" data-attributes="member: 6696971">@<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6668292" target="_blank">JamesonCourage</a> , had a few minutes downtime so just fiddling around with the Character Builder.  By no means do you even need to respond to this post as there is nothing insightful here.  Just giving you something to chew on or if you want to pass any of the build components of this onto your player for food for thought.  This guy is a Dwarven Knight, Exile Background, Guardian Theme, Multiclass Paladin of Kord, Dwarven Plate, and I believe that he has the same skills (or most of them as your player).  Very different than the prior Fighter though as he can't be a stand-in for the party Face.  However, given that 4e's primary locus of non-combat conflict resolution is the Skill Challenge, he can contribute in myriad ways out of combat:Multiple Divination Rituals (Last Sight Vision and Read Omens)Multiple Creation Rituals (Continual Light and Holy Water)Deception Ritual which is easily deployable in Social Skill Challenges for a healthy buff (Calm Emotions)Skill Challenge DCs @ level 5 are 10 (Low) > 15 (Med) > 22 (High) For Skill Challenges he has a healthy, diverse skill-set, meeting the typical primary (15) and secondary (10) DCs at the following clips:Athletics 70 % and 95 %Dungeoneering 70 % and 95 %Endurance 85 % and 100 %Heal 85 % and 100 %Insight 70 % and 95 %Nature 60 % and 85 %Perception 75 % and 100 %Religion 65 % and 90 %Obviously, he couldn't serve as the party face but for straight social skills, his Insight is considerable and he can pass most support actions (secondary skills) with Dip, Int, and SW. Combat he has:Defender + HP and Surges/valueDefender + ACAverage Fort and WillBelow average RefStandard Fighter Melee Control with Defender Aura et alStance 1 = 15 mean damage MBA (At-Will High Damage Expression) w/o Power StrikeStance 2 = 13 mean damage MBA (At-Will Medium Damage Expression) w/o Power Strike + 3 damage Cleave riderEncounter Power; Minor Action to Divine Challenge (Paly CB5 mark and auto-smite w/ 5 Radiant damage on violation).Encounter Power; Minor Action for big heal + temp HPs.Encounter Power; Power Strike * 2Encounter Power; Immediate Interrupt to switch targets with ally, soak attack in their stead, and follow up with MBA.Not too shabby and seems to hit most of the notes of your pal's Dwarven Knight.====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======level 5Dwarf, Fighter (Knight)Knight Option: Shield FinesseKord Clan (+2 to Athletics)Theme: Guardian FINAL ABILITY SCORESSTR 13, CON 16, DEX 12, INT 10, WIS 18, CHA 14 STARTING ABILITY SCORESSTR 13, CON 13, DEX 12, INT 10, WIS 15, CHA 14  AC: 23 Fort: 18 Ref: 16 Will: 17HP: 55 Surges: 12 Surge Value: 13 TRAINED SKILLSAthletics +8, Endurance +11, Heal +11, Religion +7 UNTRAINED SKILLSAcrobatics +1, Arcana +2, Bluff +4, Diplomacy +4, Dungeoneering +8, History +2, Insight +8, Intimidate +4, Nature +6, Perception +9, Stealth +1, Streetwise +4, Thievery +1 POWERSBasic Attack: Melee Basic AttackBasic Attack: Ranged Basic AttackGuardian Attack: Guardian's CounterDwarf Racial Power: Dwarven ResilienceFighter Attack: Battle GuardianMultiple Class Utility: Defender AuraFighter Utility: Battle WrathFighter Utility: Cleaving AssaultMultiple Class Attack: Power StrikePaladin Feature: Divine ChallengeHeal Utility 2: Iron Resurgence FEATSShield FinesseLevel 1: Melee Training (Wisdom)Level 2: Soldier of the FaithLevel 4: Ritual Caster ITEMSDwarven Plate Armor +1 x1Ornament of Alertness +1 x1Create Holy WaterContinual LightLast Sight VisionRead OmensCalm EmotionsBracers of Mighty Striking (heroic tier) x1Heavy Shield x1Magic Battleaxe +2 x1====== End ======</blockquote>

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