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<blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 6279077" data-attributes="member: 6668292">I get where you're coming from. I force my players to tell me what they're doing before they can roll a skill, what they're saying (I allow them to sum up what they're saying), etc. So, I don't mind pushing my players that way. I get what you're saying about how you prefer to not waste good ideas, and depending on the roll, I think I'd go with that method a lot of the time.Personally, I think I just want a roll most of the time during a Skill Challenge. What they say might not need a roll (and thus won't contribute or take away from any success), but it'll change the fiction, which will affect the game, still. Maybe showing proof of loyalty doesn't add an automatic success (in my game), but now the mayor (or whoever) is firmly on your side. Why isn't the Skill Challenge over? Well, I'll have to come up with a reason, now, won't I? Maybe he's committed resources elsewhere, and would like to help, but is hesitant; maybe he's possessed; maybe he's made a promise to someone else. Who knows?Again, though, that's just at my table. I get where you're coming from, and I can see how +2 can be too small for what you want. It's definitely given me something to think about.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JamesonCourage, post: 6279077, member: 6668292"] I get where you're coming from. I force my players to tell me what they're doing before they can roll a skill, what they're saying (I allow them to sum up what they're saying), etc. So, I don't mind pushing my players that way. I get what you're saying about how you prefer to not waste good ideas, and depending on the roll, I think I'd go with that method a lot of the time. Personally, I think I just want a roll most of the time during a Skill Challenge. What they say might not need a roll (and thus won't contribute or take away from any success), but it'll change the fiction, which will affect the game, still. Maybe showing proof of loyalty doesn't add an automatic success (in my game), but now the mayor (or whoever) is firmly on your side. Why isn't the Skill Challenge over? Well, I'll have to come up with a reason, now, won't I? Maybe he's committed resources elsewhere, and would like to help, but is hesitant; maybe he's possessed; maybe he's made a promise to someone else. Who knows? Again, though, that's just at my table. I get where you're coming from, and I can see how +2 can be too small for what you want. It's definitely given me something to think about. [/QUOTE]

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