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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 8715139" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>That is what it amounted to - by your own writing, if they failed to use a contract they <em>aren't victims</em>. You seem to be blaming those who were treated badly for not having protected themselves better.</p><p></p><p>If that's not what you intend... well, maybe you need to step back a bit and think on your approach to the discussion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Several have noted that defending a contract takes <em>resources</em> - they won't be a solution for anyone who hasn't got the resources to take it to court. Do you deny seeing these, or do you deny that they constitute "evidence"?</p><p></p><p>And, you haven't seen evidence? Earlier this morning (about 6:45 AM), you yourself wrote about how out-of-state contractors could be particularly vulnerable. You have deleted that since, but it amounts to recognition that contracts aren't all that reliable as a solution. That rather belies this statement, so maybe you'd like to retract it?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This thread isn't, "Solutions for contractors who get screwed," so folks didn't think that was a requirement.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They aren't against normalizing the industry to have better contracts.</p><p></p><p>They are against you 1) speaking of contracts as if they were a silver bullet, when they are not, and 2) insulting people who you've never met, and whose situation you know in only the barest of sketches.</p><p></p><p>To be clear - sure, normalizing better contracts in the industry <em>would be a good idea</em>. But as a practical matter, contractors can only demand them when they are unified, and in a position with a bit of power. We, the consumers, can be part of that power. But that requires we know the situation too - that "casual conversation" you refer to is part of the process.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 8715139, member: 177"] That is what it amounted to - by your own writing, if they failed to use a contract they [I]aren't victims[/I]. You seem to be blaming those who were treated badly for not having protected themselves better. If that's not what you intend... well, maybe you need to step back a bit and think on your approach to the discussion. Several have noted that defending a contract takes [I]resources[/I] - they won't be a solution for anyone who hasn't got the resources to take it to court. Do you deny seeing these, or do you deny that they constitute "evidence"? And, you haven't seen evidence? Earlier this morning (about 6:45 AM), you yourself wrote about how out-of-state contractors could be particularly vulnerable. You have deleted that since, but it amounts to recognition that contracts aren't all that reliable as a solution. That rather belies this statement, so maybe you'd like to retract it? This thread isn't, "Solutions for contractors who get screwed," so folks didn't think that was a requirement. They aren't against normalizing the industry to have better contracts. They are against you 1) speaking of contracts as if they were a silver bullet, when they are not, and 2) insulting people who you've never met, and whose situation you know in only the barest of sketches. To be clear - sure, normalizing better contracts in the industry [I]would be a good idea[/I]. But as a practical matter, contractors can only demand them when they are unified, and in a position with a bit of power. We, the consumers, can be part of that power. But that requires we know the situation too - that "casual conversation" you refer to is part of the process. [/QUOTE]
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