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<blockquote data-quote="Nahat Anoj" data-source="post: 5424974" data-attributes="member: 25075">While I think the shade is fine thematically, I agree with the main mechanical complaints voiced in this thread. For my part, I don't mind the healing surge penalty as long as they are compensated for it. As a start, I might replace the current racial power with an encounter power shadow form where, until the end of their next turn, they are insubstantial and can become hidden in any form of concealment/cover. I might make Practiced Sneak into a &quot;reroll Stealth&quot; abilitly like what goliaths have for Athletics.I also have some misgivings about shades being an actual D&amp;D race. From the brief preview provided, it looks like humans become shades during their life. That sounds less like a race and more like a feat (like dhampir), theme, paragon path, or epic destiny. It's not a huge deal I guess and it'll probably work from a mechanics perspective, but there's a process to become a shade not unlike how there's a process to become a lich (it makes me wonder if they'll come out with a lich race at some point). I'll be interested to see if there's any discussion about human PCs becoming shades after first level, or what happens if shades decide to procreate.The vryloka sound like they'll be a more traditional D&amp;D race (or at least, as distinct from humans as tieflings and shadar-kai are), and I'm looking forward to seeing it. I liked the dhampir, but when they came out I was a little disappointed it was &quot;merely&quot; a bloodline feat - I think a bona fide vampire-tainted race would be neat.I'm okay with a vampire class, but personally I'd prefer it to be a source or origin that would allow for more choices when you gain a new power. For example, when hitting level 5, a vampire could choose a class daily attack power or whatever is offered for a vampire daily attack power.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nahat Anoj, post: 5424974, member: 25075"] While I think the shade is fine thematically, I agree with the main mechanical complaints voiced in this thread. For my part, I don't mind the healing surge penalty as long as they are compensated for it. As a start, I might replace the current racial power with an encounter power shadow form where, until the end of their next turn, they are insubstantial and can become hidden in any form of concealment/cover. I might make Practiced Sneak into a "reroll Stealth" abilitly like what goliaths have for Athletics. I also have some misgivings about shades being an actual D&D race. From the brief preview provided, it looks like humans become shades during their life. That sounds less like a race and more like a feat (like dhampir), theme, paragon path, or epic destiny. It's not a huge deal I guess and it'll probably work from a mechanics perspective, but there's a process to become a shade not unlike how there's a process to become a lich (it makes me wonder if they'll come out with a lich race at some point). I'll be interested to see if there's any discussion about human PCs becoming shades after first level, or what happens if shades decide to procreate. The vryloka sound like they'll be a more traditional D&D race (or at least, as distinct from humans as tieflings and shadar-kai are), and I'm looking forward to seeing it. I liked the dhampir, but when they came out I was a little disappointed it was "merely" a bloodline feat - I think a bona fide vampire-tainted race would be neat. I'm okay with a vampire class, but personally I'd prefer it to be a source or origin that would allow for more choices when you gain a new power. For example, when hitting level 5, a vampire could choose a class daily attack power or whatever is offered for a vampire daily attack power. [/QUOTE]

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