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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5426265" data-attributes="member: 78116">I'm sorry, but it's the exact opposite of a strawman argument. What you've just accused me of is creating an illusion of "winning" an argument by making an absurd position and then knocking that down to show my argument is clearly superior. I'm going to tell you right now, needing to use a standard action AND a move action to use your racial is flat out poor. I do not need to erect any strawman to defend this position whatsoever. Most racial powers are minor actions, free actions or just work anyway depending on a condition.The point about the action economy is incredibly valid. A standard action + move action sink minimum to use a racial power is terrible for any class' action economy. The classes the shade suits, many strikers, get limited utility out of it because it basically means they spend an entire round doing zero damage. You can bemoan "hacking and slashing" all you want, if you're a striker you are there to kill things. You are there to kill things as fast as possible. If you are waffling around taking an entire turn to become hidden you are failing at your role as a striker. Not that other classes can afford to stand around an entire turn, for essentially what amounts to getting combat advantage in an extremely roundabout and delayed manner. Bear in mind you're using your two most important actions (arguably) in your standard and move action to do this.If you go back a couple of pages, I showed how the Shade slayer was inferior to the half-orc slayer. I also did it without considering the racial power of the half orc. So despite being able to pick the worst situation I could for the shade, I didn't and even when I didn't I still out damaged them significantly: the simple reason was the action sink in becoming hidden (using the power) reduced their damage over the combat. That's not an insignificant margin at all.To be frank, I'm not letting you get away with calling my argument a strawman and then not justifying that. Can you explain why a standard action + move action minimum racial power to use in combat is equivalent to other races? How is my argument here a strawman, because I'm not even stacking the deck in my example I posted a couple of pages ago.</blockquote>

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