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<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 5426306" data-attributes="member: 59057">Because in your example, using this power does not help at all. So it is not a useful application of that power.Maybe you are right with the RAW stealth etc., but creating a scenario where any race, not using any racial power is better than trying to use a power in a way it is not useful is a strawman argument.I bet a shade not using that power is better than a shade using that power in this situation is better.If there is a situation where becoming hidden in the shadow of a creature is advantageous, then the half-orc can do nil.I agree, that stealth rules interpreted very very strictly and not allowing any creature to hide is a hard damper for this power. I actually overvalued this part a bit and the part that any person can hide in plain sight now when he was hidden before.I however still can imagine many situation where i rathe be a shade with any class i want with the ability to hide with only concealment than beeing a rogue or walock of any class i chose to be.The opportunity cost of beeing limited to a certain class and class built seems too much. So comparing apples (Race) with oranges (a Class) makes no sense for me here. Which was exactly the part you did not understand right in my first post.@ Dark sun defiling argument: In Dark sun, any magic user trying to do something is first considered an enemy by default. In a world, where mages are generous and it counts as a bessing beeing enchanted by them, everyone is pleased to serve as your ally. Again, apples and oranges.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 5426306, member: 59057"] Because in your example, using this power does not help at all. So it is not a useful application of that power. Maybe you are right with the RAW stealth etc., but creating a scenario where any race, not using any racial power is better than trying to use a power in a way it is not useful is a strawman argument. I bet a shade not using that power is better than a shade using that power in this situation is better. If there is a situation where becoming hidden in the shadow of a creature is advantageous, then the half-orc can do nil. I agree, that stealth rules interpreted very very strictly and not allowing any creature to hide is a hard damper for this power. I actually overvalued this part a bit and the part that any person can hide in plain sight now when he was hidden before. I however still can imagine many situation where i rathe be a shade with any class i want with the ability to hide with only concealment than beeing a rogue or walock of any class i chose to be. The opportunity cost of beeing limited to a certain class and class built seems too much. So comparing apples (Race) with oranges (a Class) makes no sense for me here. Which was exactly the part you did not understand right in my first post. @ Dark sun defiling argument: In Dark sun, any magic user trying to do something is first considered an enemy by default. In a world, where mages are generous and it counts as a bessing beeing enchanted by them, everyone is pleased to serve as your ally. Again, apples and oranges. [/QUOTE]

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