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<blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5426358" data-attributes="member: 78116"><p>Except that the slayer shade will rovoke an OA when trying to move away to use his stealth check. Bearing in mind you first need to use a standard action for the racial, so you can't shift + move away. So your next action has to be a move action to behind an ally, which is often not a single shift away. You are not hidden at any point here until the <em>end</em> of that movement, so you'll eat the OA. This effectively makes any damage mitigation pointless, because you need to absorb another attack to try to hide. </p><p></p><p>This is also assuming the creature doesn't just then slam out a burst attack, or simply shift to another square beside your ally exposing you instantly and attacking you anyway. I mean, given you've sunk all your actions into becoming hidden you aren't going very far from where it last saw you. Making this very easy to counter for all but the stupidest monsters (who you probably never needed to hide from in the first place).</p><p></p><p>You need to maintain cover/concealment at this point. If you can find an area the enemy needs to move across that will have cover or concealment, then this can certainly work. But again, you need to have an <em>entire round</em> to set that up.</p><p></p><p>Edit:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is not relevant when discussing creatures, which was the example you used. I see you've now acknowledged the mistake in your next point though.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Spending a standard action and a minor action, for the potential chance that a monster won't just walk around your ally you are using as cover and kill you anyway (because you'll no longer have cover) to sustain a minor is <em>horrible</em> tactically. Again it's the action sink that we keep going back to and a wizard with sustains is being hugely pressed for actions. He's not going to be interested at all in a power that basically drains him of vital actions he'll need, not to mention the use of better encounter and other powers. </p><p></p><p>Additionally, I severely question the benefit of this given that wizards have good options for breaking line of sight for stealth or hiding as it is (like Wall of Fog).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aegeri, post: 5426358, member: 78116"] Except that the slayer shade will rovoke an OA when trying to move away to use his stealth check. Bearing in mind you first need to use a standard action for the racial, so you can't shift + move away. So your next action has to be a move action to behind an ally, which is often not a single shift away. You are not hidden at any point here until the [I]end[/I] of that movement, so you'll eat the OA. This effectively makes any damage mitigation pointless, because you need to absorb another attack to try to hide. This is also assuming the creature doesn't just then slam out a burst attack, or simply shift to another square beside your ally exposing you instantly and attacking you anyway. I mean, given you've sunk all your actions into becoming hidden you aren't going very far from where it last saw you. Making this very easy to counter for all but the stupidest monsters (who you probably never needed to hide from in the first place). You need to maintain cover/concealment at this point. If you can find an area the enemy needs to move across that will have cover or concealment, then this can certainly work. But again, you need to have an [I]entire round[/I] to set that up. Edit: This is not relevant when discussing creatures, which was the example you used. I see you've now acknowledged the mistake in your next point though. Spending a standard action and a minor action, for the potential chance that a monster won't just walk around your ally you are using as cover and kill you anyway (because you'll no longer have cover) to sustain a minor is [i]horrible[/i] tactically. Again it's the action sink that we keep going back to and a wizard with sustains is being hugely pressed for actions. He's not going to be interested at all in a power that basically drains him of vital actions he'll need, not to mention the use of better encounter and other powers. Additionally, I severely question the benefit of this given that wizards have good options for breaking line of sight for stealth or hiding as it is (like Wall of Fog). [/QUOTE]
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