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<blockquote data-quote="avin" data-source="post: 5061850" data-attributes="member: 6762">Let's say a Wizard have a spell that can teleport enemies. He casts it on an orc which has no clue where he's gonna be teleported.If the Wizard decides to teleport him to a normal solid ground, the orc just goes.But if the Wizard decided to teleport him to a cliff all of sudden our friendly orc receives a sign and can make a save?Am I getting this right...? While this make sense in crunch therms it pushes rules one more time in the &quot;let's fix crunch and let them deal with the rest&quot; metagame, in my humble opinion... <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm&nbsp; &nbsp; :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />Hope I'm missing something here. 4E is already a bit too much metagamist for my taste and, if I were a design, I would be carefully enforcing all rules with some explanation... <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm&nbsp; &nbsp; :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />Will check it later at home.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="avin, post: 5061850, member: 6762"] Let's say a Wizard have a spell that can teleport enemies. He casts it on an orc which has no clue where he's gonna be teleported. If the Wizard decides to teleport him to a normal solid ground, the orc just goes. But if the Wizard decided to teleport him to a cliff all of sudden our friendly orc receives a sign and can make a save? Am I getting this right...? While this make sense in crunch therms it pushes rules one more time in the "let's fix crunch and let them deal with the rest" metagame, in my humble opinion... :erm: Hope I'm missing something here. 4E is already a bit too much metagamist for my taste and, if I were a design, I would be carefully enforcing all rules with some explanation... :erm: Will check it later at home. [/QUOTE]

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