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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 8111181" data-attributes="member: 6701124">The rules say there are heroes and super-heroes.&nbsp; &quot;Included in this class are certain well-known knights, leaders of army contingents, and similar men.&quot; doesn't read as exclusive to me.&nbsp;&nbsp; The creator of the game puts them in as whatever race they need to be when showing how the rules can be used for what they were designed to (having fantasy battles).&nbsp; It feels like its decent evidence that it puts it was happening pretty early...&nbsp; &nbsp; The phrasing made it sound to me like it was PC. Lots of things in Appendix N are not mentioned here.&nbsp; The 1974 article mentions that he thinks Conan, Mouser, and Elric are characters he thinks players will find more exciting than Aragorn et.al.&nbsp; He also says that Tolkien was influential.&nbsp; Apparently the article also says lots of players kept asking for more Tolkien.&nbsp; That seems consistent with him using Tolkien things and getting annoyed by folks liking it so much.&nbsp; (I'll check around for the article). The vast majority of things on the list occur in Tolkien. Everything that appears in Tolkien except the Oliphants occurs on the list. Every creature that is uniquely Tolkien, appears on the list. It's impossible for the entire list to be uniquely Tolkien because Tolkien didn't have that many unique creatures. Clearly some of them weren't from Tolkien (Gnomes, Sprites, Giants), but no one ever claimed Tolkien was the only influence. But there aren't that many here. I'm kind of surprised that Greek mythology got no play at all, but then I have to remember he was going for medieval feeling literature. There are a number of creatures from the first two Elric books and the first batch of Mouser books that could have made it. Kind of surprised they didn't.I'll let you know when I dig up that article.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 8111181, member: 6701124"] The rules say there are heroes and super-heroes. "Included in this class are certain well-known knights, leaders of army contingents, and similar men." doesn't read as exclusive to me. The creator of the game puts them in as whatever race they need to be when showing how the rules can be used for what they were designed to (having fantasy battles). It feels like its decent evidence that it puts it was happening pretty early... The phrasing made it sound to me like it was PC. Lots of things in Appendix N are not mentioned here. The 1974 article mentions that he thinks Conan, Mouser, and Elric are characters he thinks players will find more exciting than Aragorn et.al. He also says that Tolkien was influential. Apparently the article also says lots of players kept asking for more Tolkien. That seems consistent with him using Tolkien things and getting annoyed by folks liking it so much. (I'll check around for the article). The vast majority of things on the list occur in Tolkien. Everything that appears in Tolkien except the Oliphants occurs on the list. Every creature that is uniquely Tolkien, appears on the list. It's impossible for the entire list to be uniquely Tolkien because Tolkien didn't have that many unique creatures. Clearly some of them weren't from Tolkien (Gnomes, Sprites, Giants), but no one ever claimed Tolkien was the only influence. But there aren't that many here. I'm kind of surprised that Greek mythology got no play at all, but then I have to remember he was going for medieval feeling literature. There are a number of creatures from the first two Elric books and the first batch of Mouser books that could have made it. Kind of surprised they didn't. I'll let you know when I dig up that article. [/QUOTE]

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