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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8114957" data-attributes="member: 23751">So is saying that I'm saying that dwarves aren't dwarves.  We're discussing subraces, not the race itself.  Hill Dwarves are different from Mountain Dwarves.It doesn't matter why.  That's 5e for you.  Here's a situation, now make a ruling for why that's so at your table.We don't, because one is not relevant to the other.  Settings are specifically designed to alter the lore of races.  How Greyhawk's dwarves are describes is irrelevant to the PHB and FR dwarves.  How the PHB dwarves are describes is irrelevant to the Greyhawk and FR dwarves.  And how the FR dwarves are describes is irrelevant to the Greyhawk and PHB dwarves.I didn't say one could be rolled to be the other.  I said that a mountain dwarf can have keen senses and intuition as represented by a 15 wisdom.Doesn't matter.  They have different cultures and those cultures result in the stats that they are given.This is EXACTLY a specific beats general situation.  Your conclusion is flawed, because the specific settings alter what the PHB sets forth.  There is no 1=2, because the PHB is subservient to the specific exceptions created by the individual settings.That's false.  I know, because that's the way I am.  Optimistic =/= stupid.  You are trying to pigeonhole me into a version of Lawful Stupid and I'm not going to have it.  I can be suspicious and untrusting, yet still hope for the best.  See that? HOPE for the best, which is optimistic.  Optimism doesn't require belief that the best will happen.</blockquote>

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