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<blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 8116410" data-attributes="member: 6901101"><p>One, I like your analogy. Two, yes, easier than saying, "I want to play a gith."</p><p></p><p>And yes, Thanksgiving tables, like D&D tables have different traditions. But, we'll say the Joy of Cooking (a standard cookbook for all chefs) is the D&D rulebook. Guess what? It gives you the "traditional" Thanksgiving meal. When my Greek friend brings moussaka, it is our tradition. I should not push Moussaka on everyone else because the whole flavor palate thing. And I certainly shouldn't be pushing it to be included in the Joy of Cooking cookbook's traditional Thanksgiving meal.</p><p></p><p>You are correct. That is what the other side has consistently said - these "races" have diverse genetics. All of them can go train, it is just at level one, one race might go in and workout and be stronger (at level 1) than another - by <em><strong>1</strong></em> point! Yet, somehow that is not good enough. Some want them to be exactly the same.</p><p></p><p>You see, here is where you fail to see the actual analogy. The crux it rests upon is the food. (The exceptional) Your captain is not food, he is a wine glass or a fork or a knife. He is common, not exceptional. Of course, as DM, you can give him whatever stats you like. That does nothing to the game, to change out a flat wine glass for a stemmed wine glass. Nothing. Because all he does is help set a mood.</p><p>No one here is debating what a DM can and can't do. No one here is debating the creation of NPC's. They are debating how making races homogenous will affect the game.</p><p></p><p>I notice you do not address what I actually said.</p><p>And...</p><p>I also notice you are now saying a house rule is the same thing as information found in a official D&D publication.</p><p>I am just going to rewrite this so you can address this:</p><p></p><p>You see, you can already do exactly what you want with the PHB. Exactly. Except some can't. Why? Because they want to start with a 16, not a 15. <strong>That is the distillation of the entire argument from your side. </strong></p><p>Players who want to show that their elf works out can. They point buy to 15. That is way above the norm. And guess what? They can move it up to 17 four levels later. Then four more levels they can move it to 19. Then at level 12, they are equal to those crazy dwarves that had such a head start!</p><p>But that is not what some want. Some want to start at 16. That's it. You can offer lore reasons, and this fully rebukes it.</p><p></p><p>What your side can offer is the ability to say: "I want to start with a 16 in my preferred race/class combination because I think it is unfair that I have to start with a 15."</p><p></p><p>That is when the other side interjects and says, "I like this unfairness because it creates unique blends and helps paint the lore."</p><p></p><p>And then your side says: "I think making things equitable would create lore too."</p><p></p><p>And the world keeps spinning along with our mouths. (But the bold is what matters.)</p><p></p><p>See the above fake argument for how this is addressed. It is legitimate. It is valid. Just not to the other side.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scott Christian, post: 8116410, member: 6901101"] One, I like your analogy. Two, yes, easier than saying, "I want to play a gith." And yes, Thanksgiving tables, like D&D tables have different traditions. But, we'll say the Joy of Cooking (a standard cookbook for all chefs) is the D&D rulebook. Guess what? It gives you the "traditional" Thanksgiving meal. When my Greek friend brings moussaka, it is our tradition. I should not push Moussaka on everyone else because the whole flavor palate thing. And I certainly shouldn't be pushing it to be included in the Joy of Cooking cookbook's traditional Thanksgiving meal. You are correct. That is what the other side has consistently said - these "races" have diverse genetics. All of them can go train, it is just at level one, one race might go in and workout and be stronger (at level 1) than another - by [I][B]1[/B][/I] point! Yet, somehow that is not good enough. Some want them to be exactly the same. You see, here is where you fail to see the actual analogy. The crux it rests upon is the food. (The exceptional) Your captain is not food, he is a wine glass or a fork or a knife. He is common, not exceptional. Of course, as DM, you can give him whatever stats you like. That does nothing to the game, to change out a flat wine glass for a stemmed wine glass. Nothing. Because all he does is help set a mood. No one here is debating what a DM can and can't do. No one here is debating the creation of NPC's. They are debating how making races homogenous will affect the game. I notice you do not address what I actually said. And... I also notice you are now saying a house rule is the same thing as information found in a official D&D publication. I am just going to rewrite this so you can address this: You see, you can already do exactly what you want with the PHB. Exactly. Except some can't. Why? Because they want to start with a 16, not a 15. [B]That is the distillation of the entire argument from your side. [/B] Players who want to show that their elf works out can. They point buy to 15. That is way above the norm. And guess what? They can move it up to 17 four levels later. Then four more levels they can move it to 19. Then at level 12, they are equal to those crazy dwarves that had such a head start! But that is not what some want. Some want to start at 16. That's it. You can offer lore reasons, and this fully rebukes it. What your side can offer is the ability to say: "I want to start with a 16 in my preferred race/class combination because I think it is unfair that I have to start with a 15." That is when the other side interjects and says, "I like this unfairness because it creates unique blends and helps paint the lore." And then your side says: "I think making things equitable would create lore too." And the world keeps spinning along with our mouths. (But the bold is what matters.) See the above fake argument for how this is addressed. It is legitimate. It is valid. Just not to the other side. [/QUOTE]
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