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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 8116911" data-attributes="member: 6901101">I would never use the word deceive. You stated you want a 16. That doesn't mean the others that want this book want a 16. I agree.But if they want to create lore, by making odd race/class combinations. Yet the only way to increase players using those combinations is by giving someone a 16 in the beginning, then that is what the essence of the argument is still about. It is the same for the other side. They think the PHB does a good job at reinforcing race/class combinations, and thus, keeping intact the lore as it is at present. It does this by making some race/class combinations less effective at lower levels at their primary "schtick." (They may be better at other things, but never really combat.)All I am saying is the essence of this debate for the side that wants the change is the 16. I could say the essence of the debate on the other side is the 15. The rest is speculation on the effects that this 16 will have. We know the effects of the 15 - it keeps many players from exploring race/class combinations that aren't optimal. I have not ascertained a truth. But I do know that rule changes are often made because they want to make things easier. And min/maxers, optimizers and players that like immediate gratification are always happier with easier. It gives them the possibilities they wanted. But it comes at a cost. For some, the easier route is a lot less fun. Much like the player at your table that didn't have fun because they had a 15 instead of a 16 in wisdom at the start of the game. The reverse can be true.  (Oofta and others have given you a myriad of reasons to explain this.)So if you want to speculate on the effects that having a 16 for all race/class combinations will have. I am happy to read them. But if you want to continue to debate that the argument is more than just about having a 16, then you are right, I have a truth. I know that anyone can make any character with a score that is 95% equal to any other character. And I also know that is not equal enough for some.</blockquote>

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