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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8117823" data-attributes="member: 23751">No.&nbsp; It's still a good indicator.&nbsp; Indicator being less than perfect, means that you can have creatures like Dragonborn which are strong due to their draconic heritage and Kobolds which are weak due to size.&nbsp; Large tends to be strong.&nbsp; Small tends to be weak.&nbsp; Specific exceptions are fine and don't break anything.It ignores the following...&quot;Physically weak, they are easy prey for predators. This vulnerability forces them to band together.&quot; and &quot;Kobolds make up for their physical ineptitude with a cleverness for trap making and tunneling.&quot;If you saw a man with those muscles, the arms would be three times as thick.&nbsp; Well defined strings are still weak.There wasn't anything else in the post.&nbsp; It was a simple, &quot;They could have left the +2 as a racial bonus and then added another +2 as a floating bonus so that everyone could have what they wanted.&quot;That's it.&nbsp; It got likes from my side of the debate, including [USER=6855114]@Helldritch[/USER] I believe.It seems arbitrary to you means reasoned, because nothing I've said has had no reason for it to be that way.Wow.&nbsp; Not even close. Orcs have a strength bonus, because... &quot;Strength and power are the greatest of orcish virtues...&quot;&nbsp; As as result, natural selection favors the strong and strength would be a trait of the race.Dragonborn have a str bonus, because they are literally born of dragons and strength is iconically dragonish.&nbsp; Much more so than charisma.Kobolds have a str penalty because they are physically small and frail, despite the defined strings you want to call muscles.Elves have a dex bonus, because they are lithe and graceful.Dwarves are have a con bonus, because they are short, stocky, tough and of the earth. Humans have no set bonus, because they are versatile and adaptable.There are reasons for everything.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8117823, member: 23751"] No. It's still a good indicator. Indicator being less than perfect, means that you can have creatures like Dragonborn which are strong due to their draconic heritage and Kobolds which are weak due to size. Large tends to be strong. Small tends to be weak. Specific exceptions are fine and don't break anything. It ignores the following... "[B]Physically weak[/B], they are easy prey for predators. This vulnerability forces them to band together." and "Kobolds make up for[B] their physical ineptitude[/B] with a cleverness for trap making and tunneling." If you saw a man with those muscles, the arms would be three times as thick. Well defined strings are still weak. There wasn't anything else in the post. It was a simple, "They could have left the +2 as a racial bonus and then added another +2 as a floating bonus so that everyone could have what they wanted." That's it. It got likes from my side of the debate, including [USER=6855114]@Helldritch[/USER] I believe. It seems arbitrary to you means reasoned, because nothing I've said has had no reason for it to be that way. Wow. Not even close. Orcs have a strength bonus, because... "Strength and power are the greatest of orcish virtues..." As as result, natural selection favors the strong and strength would be a trait of the race. Dragonborn have a str bonus, because they are literally born of dragons and strength is iconically dragonish. Much more so than charisma. Kobolds have a str penalty because they are physically small and frail, despite the defined strings you want to call muscles. Elves have a dex bonus, because they are lithe and graceful. Dwarves are have a con bonus, because they are short, stocky, tough and of the earth. Humans have no set bonus, because they are versatile and adaptable. There are reasons for everything. [/QUOTE]

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