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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 8118386" data-attributes="member: 6901101">Not my beliefs and I am not referring to just D&D players. I am referring to people who like Star Trek. I go with the numbers. The shows are huge. The games are popular. The movies are big. The franchise is strong. And there is very little vocalization about vulcans being smarter than humans, and klingons being stronger than humans. It is accepted. D&D seems to not be in the same boat.I was refraining a previous statement of mine. If you are going to change some of the fundamental rules inside the core rulebook that has worked and been around for five years, you might as well write a new edition of D&D. I mean if they suddenly proposed that classes no longer existed except in lore, and then made all the available class features available to every PC, then maybe they should just write a new edition.I will finish the bolded sentence for you - that we can see right now.And yes you have shown that, just as the other side has shown you that:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">5% doesn't matter and isn't noticeable, yet is still  being insisted upon by some players</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">the entire debate is about 16 vs 15</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">there are numerous examples of mechanics matching lore</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">having positive/negative race/class combinations creates patterns</li> </ul>So you are correct. So is the other side.One last thing to all: In my experience, it is disingenuous to argue against something you know is true. Some people do it for fun. Some people like to play devil's advocate. But there is generally a wink and nod or a disclaimer prior to the argument. Arguing that a bonus is not a racial bonus, and instead a PC bonus that happens to be listed under race, seems disingenuous. Especially when this is quoted:I mean, if you want to play devil's advocate, that's cool. But to ignore the actual words inside the PHB, especially when arguing about the exact thing the PHB talks about, seems shady. At least recognize that it is before trying to find examples elsewhere.</blockquote>

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