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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 8118515" data-attributes="member: 6901101">You will have to forgive me. I am a bit confused. The point that I brought up was that the world of Star Trek doesn't seem to be held to the fire like D&D. We are talking about the problem in D&D that arises when one race is declared smarter or stronger on average than another race. Star Trek does this. The fact that it does this without issue seems relevant.You may think I am using an extreme example, but I don't think I am. I feel there are many that would rather see class abilities float as opposed to racial stat bonuses and racial abilities. It's a guess, but I believe an accurate one.As for a new edition, again, if you are going to change one of the core rules of a rulebook, you should probably start from scratch (imho). I remember the days of 300 pages of errata for 4e. It was because they did things like this without testing them through.Fair enough on the liars part. I don't really think they are lying as well. I think they are trying to go back and rethink what they did while retconning their original ideas.And I just don't see how everyone on the board, that I know is smart, doesn't understand the premise behind the numbers. Yes, not all dwarves have a high con. There are some that rolled an 6 in con. They get +2, now they have an 8. Or if they were doing point buy, that is their 8 stat, now they have a 10. An elf can place their 14 in con. They end up with a 14. There is a range. There always was. The bonus is exactly that - a bonus. (Whether it's biological, cultural, etc. does not matter for this point to be understood).The only thing the bonus does is allow one group to start with a 16 or 17 in their bonus trait, versus a 15. That's it. There is still range for all races. There is still dexterous dwarf. There is still the clumsy dwarf. There is still the strong elf. And still the weak elf. There is still the charismatic half-orc. There is still the ugly half-orc.And for the record. Here is what it says under every single race in the PHB:"Your dwarf character has an assortment of inborn abilities, part and parcel of Dwarven nature - +2 con.""Your elf character has a variety of natural abilities, the result of thousands of years of elven refinement - +2 dex.""You halfling character has a number of traits in common with all other halflings - +2 dex.""It's hard to make generalizations about humans, but your human character has these traits - +1 for all abilities.""Your draconic heritage manifests in a variety of traits you share with other dragonborn - +2 str.""Your gnome character has certain characteristics in common with all other gnomes - +2 int.""Your half-elf character has some qualities in common with elves and some that are unique to half-elves - +2 cha.""Your half-orc character has certain traits deriving from your orc ancestry - +2 str.""Tieflings share certain racial traits as a result of their infernal descent - +2 cha."I see share, inborn, natural, in common with all, ancestry, and a bunch of implied language that suggests these are biological and shared by all in the race. But, just like all things, this evidence will be read and the reader will gleam what it wants to out of it.</blockquote>

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