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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8118554" data-attributes="member: 23751">That's a possible reason for sure.&nbsp; A more probable reason is that they were and are a sacred cow.&nbsp; I think that even had rolling gone away(it won't because more sacred bovine), the bonuses would have stayed.Except not.&nbsp; 5e has specific rules that are labeled as optional rules.&nbsp; The rules I am quoting are default rules, not optional rules.&nbsp; They are optional yes, but in the same way as every default rule is &quot;optional&quot;.&nbsp; You can also survive a 20,000 foot fall.&nbsp; You can refuse to pay your taxes.&nbsp; You can take a dump.&nbsp; Try telling people that taking dumps is optional.Context is your friend.&nbsp; When you learn to recognize it you won't make mistakes like this.&nbsp; Clearly since I was talking about Elves, the 12 being enough to be graceful was in the context of.....................Elves.I can't abandon a position I never took.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8118554, member: 23751"] That's a possible reason for sure. A more probable reason is that they were and are a sacred cow. I think that even had rolling gone away(it won't because more sacred bovine), the bonuses would have stayed. Except not. 5e has specific rules that are labeled as optional rules. The rules I am quoting are default rules, not optional rules. They are optional yes, but in the same way as every default rule is "optional". You can also survive a 20,000 foot fall. You can refuse to pay your taxes. You can take a dump. Try telling people that taking dumps is optional. Context is your friend. When you learn to recognize it you won't make mistakes like this. Clearly since I was talking about Elves, the 12 being enough to be graceful was in the context of.....................Elves. I can't abandon a position I never took. [/QUOTE]

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