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<blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 8120832" data-attributes="member: 6901101">I can write it out for you. I can even go back to 4th edition and ask you to reread the racial bonuses and physical qualities of each race. The ones that specifically match and detail the bonus. But all you will say is: &quot;It doesn't say they are born with it.&quot; And then I will say back: &quot;But it literally says the race, meaning the entire race, has these qualities.&quot; And then you will say: &quot;But maybe they just grew up in a culture that promoted it. Because it doesn't say they are born like that.&quot; And thus, the cyclical argument goes on forever. So, let us say you are right. It's not nature, it is nurture. Because in the end, that is the two sides presented. OK. Then my character is from a highlands plain area full of runners. They run. We do it so much, that we are better than 99.9% of the other races. I want a +3 in con because we train so much in running. No other plusses, just a +3 con. That is what my people do. As DM, is this okay, or is their a &quot;natural&quot; limit on how much a race (in your mind culture) can improve?And the examples they give in fourth edition are also focused on stats. But, apparently, you know what they meant.That is what a splat book does. It doesn't reinforce archetypes, it tries to create new ones. Hence, why it is Mordenkainen's and not the PHB. &nbsp;Sorry. I didn't know you wanted me to address orc clerics. I do not think they would be archetypical. I apologize, I am a bit confused about this question. Tables are not forced to do anything, including the use of spells. We know this. But few tables do not use feats. Yet, they are optional. Few tables do not use races outside of PHB. Yet those are optional. Even fewer don't use spells or backgrounds outside of the PHB, but those are optional. The game is a compromise between different types of players, DM's and people. That's it. So if Tasha's is a great selling book, then these rules will be put into place on many tables, including some that do not want it there. &nbsp;&nbsp;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scott Christian, post: 8120832, member: 6901101"] I can write it out for you. I can even go back to 4th edition and ask you to reread the racial bonuses and physical qualities of each race. The ones that specifically match and detail the bonus. But all you will say is: "It doesn't say they are born with it." And then I will say back: "But it literally says the race, meaning the entire race, has these qualities." And then you will say: "But maybe they just grew up in a culture that promoted it. Because it doesn't say they are born like that." And thus, the cyclical argument goes on forever. So, let us say you are right. It's not nature, it is nurture. Because in the end, that is the two sides presented. OK. Then my character is from a highlands plain area full of runners. They run. We do it so much, that we are better than 99.9% of the other races. I want a +3 in con because we train so much in running. No other plusses, just a +3 con. [I]That is what my people do. As DM, is this okay, or is their a "natural" limit on how much a race (in your mind culture) can improve?[/I] And the examples they give in fourth edition are also focused on stats. But, apparently, you know what they meant. That is what a splat book does. It doesn't reinforce archetypes, it tries to create new ones. Hence, why it is Mordenkainen's and not the PHB. Sorry. I didn't know you wanted me to address orc clerics. I do not think they would be archetypical. I apologize, I am a bit confused about this question. Tables are not forced to do anything, including the use of spells. We know this. But few tables do not use feats. Yet, they are optional. Few tables do not use races outside of PHB. Yet those are optional. Even fewer don't use spells or backgrounds outside of the PHB, but those are optional. The game is a compromise between different types of players, DM's and people. That's it. So if Tasha's is a great selling book, then these rules will be put into place on many tables, including some that do not want it there. [I] [/I] [/QUOTE]

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