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<blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 8122590" data-attributes="member: 6901101"><p>I personally do not care about the +5. I am just pointing out the flawed logic if these attribute bonuses, are as you say, cultural. I mean, I get it. The attribute system is flawed no matter how you look at it. But let's at least supply some logic behind it. The starting attribute bonus is nature, and then as your character trains, it improves, which is nurture. </p><p></p><p>No. The point is about one side wants a 16 to start with. The other side doesn't. WotC decided they wanted a 16 because it is easier. The 16 crowd applauds the decision. The 15 crowd thinks it does nothing to better the game, and in fact, may hurt it in the long run.</p><p></p><p>As far as your approach, (and I am sorry) but all I have seen is dismissiveness. Giving you the examples in the PHB as against type, and you dismiss their definition and expand it to match your own. Given quotes from the DMG and PHB about traits, and you interpret it with only one lens. Having Oofta and others patiently explain how it is possible that the deconstruction of patterns can also deconstruct lore, and you eloquently, yet numerous times, say it won't. </p><p></p><p>My advice (and I know you are not asking, but I am giving it anyway) would be to approach it as if Oofta is correct. It will homogenize the races. But then point out the positive benefits it will have on lore. You started down this road with me with the nature vs nurture debate, but then I was the jerk that didn't let it go. Sorry. </p><p></p><p>The real answer is because rules need to be balanced. But that won't suffice for you. I mean technically, there is lore for elves to be dexterous, wise, charismatic, and intelligent. But the PHB needs to balance the races out, so they focus on the ones that <em>best</em> fit the archetype. It's like the old multiple choice questions:</p><p>1. Choose the character trait that <strong>best</strong> defines an orc.</p><p> A) Strength</p><p> B) Dexterity</p><p> C) Wisdom</p><p> D) Charisma</p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scott Christian, post: 8122590, member: 6901101"] I personally do not care about the +5. I am just pointing out the flawed logic if these attribute bonuses, are as you say, cultural. I mean, I get it. The attribute system is flawed no matter how you look at it. But let's at least supply some logic behind it. The starting attribute bonus is nature, and then as your character trains, it improves, which is nurture. No. The point is about one side wants a 16 to start with. The other side doesn't. WotC decided they wanted a 16 because it is easier. The 16 crowd applauds the decision. The 15 crowd thinks it does nothing to better the game, and in fact, may hurt it in the long run. As far as your approach, (and I am sorry) but all I have seen is dismissiveness. Giving you the examples in the PHB as against type, and you dismiss their definition and expand it to match your own. Given quotes from the DMG and PHB about traits, and you interpret it with only one lens. Having Oofta and others patiently explain how it is possible that the deconstruction of patterns can also deconstruct lore, and you eloquently, yet numerous times, say it won't. My advice (and I know you are not asking, but I am giving it anyway) would be to approach it as if Oofta is correct. It will homogenize the races. But then point out the positive benefits it will have on lore. You started down this road with me with the nature vs nurture debate, but then I was the jerk that didn't let it go. Sorry. The real answer is because rules need to be balanced. But that won't suffice for you. I mean technically, there is lore for elves to be dexterous, wise, charismatic, and intelligent. But the PHB needs to balance the races out, so they focus on the ones that [I]best[/I] fit the archetype. It's like the old multiple choice questions: 1. Choose the character trait that [B]best[/B] defines an orc. A) Strength B) Dexterity C) Wisdom D) Charisma ;) [/QUOTE]
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