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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8122802" data-attributes="member: 6801228">This part isn't about the amount, it is about the logic. People X are only born 5% smarter than People Y who are born 5% more suited for labor is going to just have those numbers taken out. There is no way to make that logic more appealing to a wide audience, and all the calls of "but species!" isn't going to change that.I've done that. About 20 times as well I've talked about the benefits to lore. I've tried talking about the benfits to the lore, with you, involving Star Gnome Druids and Orc Clerics. And I've just been told I'm wrong for most of this discussion. Or that, okay, they can grant that one thing, but we still lose far more than we gain. What are we losing? Archetypes, everything will become homogonized... and no matter how many times I try and show differently, it doesn't matter.So you didn't want my opinion, you wanted me to say you were right. I laid out multiple paths to support my interpretation, worked in their lore, their culture, their structures and you dismiss it all as a lack of empathy. I don't see a way forward for this conversation really. You have the "correct answer" and I have "a different interpretation viewed through a different lens" but it is also not the correct answer. Because your answer must be correct. Are they a tribal people who observe the world closely, have a deeply religious culture and habits that would encourage tracking and animal husbandry? Yes. But they are big and angry so it doesn't matter, strength is the right answer. I'm reminded a bit of the line following the one you quoted, because it came up a lot when discussing the orcs and the problems with their representation."The most accomplished half-orcs are those with enough self-control to get by in a civilized land." Interesting choice of words isn't it. The big, scary and strong native and the most accomplished ones are those with enough self-control to tame their inner nature and live like civilized people. Maybe 90% of people who know what an Orc is are okay with that. Maybe they want to keep the big strong brutes with burning passion and simple lives who need to control themselves to be civilized. Maybe it isn't.</blockquote>

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