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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8123369" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Why do I need a new setting to represent the lore from the current setting? That makes no sense.You really are stuck on this "BEST" attribute thing, aren't you? You do remember they get two, right? So, even the designers were looking at the BEST TWO attributes. And, with this focus on the setting, you are really setting yourself back up for 2e elves. We will have twenty different variants of every race, to cover every combination of stats we can justify... or, we could just take the ASIs, make them float, and then focus on actual abilities if we decide that there is a significant need for them. I mean, I'm glad you are agreeing with me, but you seem to want to just make more versions of them, instead of letting them be more flexible.So, really you don't think that anything outside of the PHB counts? Because most of my evidence was coming from Volo's, which focused on the orcs. And, it is also strange to keep referring to the Half-Orc for the Orc lore. Orcs aren't in the PHB at all. Half-Orcs are, and they mention the Monster Manual orcs, but even those don't tell us as much about Orcs as we find in Volo's. Heck, just a single example. Volo's highlights how important the Gods are to the Orcs. Everything in Orc culture revolves around them. How many Orc gods are mention in the PHB and MM? One. Gruumsh. How many Orc Gods exist? At least six. Gruumsh, Luthic (his wife), Ilneval, Bahgtru, Yurtrus and ShargraasOr, since that won't convince you that you should look beyond the PHB, what ethnicities of humans exist? According to the PHB, the only human ethnicities are Calishites, Chondathans, Damarans, Illuskans, Mulans, Rashemis, Shous, Tethyrians, and Turamis. They are the Forgotten Realms ethnicities, and the only ones in the PHB. Are they the default human ethnicities for all of DnD? Or should we look beyond what the PHB lays out.It isn't a good line. It is the same idea that was used in the Jim Crow era to suppress African Americans.</blockquote>

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