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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9099563" data-attributes="member: 18">At this point 5E has slipped to 2nd favourite edition of D&amp;D behind 4E and is in serious danger of slipping behind 2E, frankly.The fact that the supposed improvements in the 1D&amp;D have been increasingly shoddy and mismatched is definitely not helping. There's just a ton of stuff that's outright stupid (basic smite requires a bonus action) and the rest is mostly half-arsed attempts to to semi-fix things but not really fix them. The initial few playtests looked like something with some actual vigour, even if some of it was misdirected, but this year it's been pretty pathetic stuff, and most of what you're seeing as positive is seemingly &quot;Absolutely godawful idea they wasted tons of effort on but was obviously awful&quot; not getting in. Seriously. I'm struggling to think of any real improvement-improvements in the UAs this year. I can see a ton of stuff where it was &quot;DISASTER AVERTED&quot; or &quot;total car crash turned into serious fender-bender with minor whiplash - still bad but not fatal&quot;, but I can't see anything good. Bard has been veering around the road and seems to be coming up for another sharp turn as they go back to class-based spell lists (the one almost-daring idea they had abandoned solely and entirely for the sake of the Wizard class, to hear them tell it! I guess Wizards of the Coast living up the name, they've damaged three editions in a row solely for the sake of that one class now).I'm very unimpressed at this point, and I don't think any of the &quot;normal&quot; DMs or players I know is actually excited about the new version or even necessarily particularly aware of it. Maybe that's the new corporate strategy lol? Keep it on the down-low.I was hoping one of the 3PP efforts would fare better but so far they all seem to be on track to be &quot;What if we made 5E slightly better, but also way more bland?&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9099563, member: 18"] At this point 5E has slipped to 2nd favourite edition of D&D behind 4E and is in serious danger of slipping behind 2E, frankly. The fact that the supposed improvements in the 1D&D have been increasingly shoddy and mismatched is definitely not helping. There's just a ton of stuff that's outright stupid (basic smite requires a bonus action) and the rest is mostly half-arsed attempts to to semi-fix things but not really fix them. The initial few playtests looked like something with some actual vigour, even if some of it was misdirected, but this year it's been pretty pathetic stuff, and [I]most [/I]of what you're seeing as positive is seemingly "Absolutely godawful idea they wasted tons of effort on but was obviously awful" not getting in. Seriously. I'm struggling to think of any real improvement-improvements in the UAs this year. I can see a ton of stuff where it was "DISASTER AVERTED" or "total car crash turned into serious fender-bender with minor whiplash - still bad but not fatal", but I can't see anything good. Bard has been veering around the road and seems to be coming up for another sharp turn as they go back to class-based spell lists (the one almost-daring idea they had abandoned solely and entirely for the sake of the Wizard class, to hear them tell it! I guess Wizards of the Coast living up the name, they've damaged three editions in a row solely for the sake of that one class now). I'm very unimpressed at this point, and I don't think any of the "normal" DMs or players I know is actually excited about the new version or even necessarily particularly aware of it. Maybe that's the new corporate strategy lol? Keep it on the down-low. I was hoping one of the 3PP efforts would fare better but so far they all seem to be on track to be "What if we made 5E slightly better, but also way more bland?". [/QUOTE]

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