Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Jeremy Crawford On The Dark Side of Developing 5E
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Trickster Spirit" data-source="post: 7666991" data-attributes="member: 6701829"><p>I'm sure plenty of people bought those 4E setting books. The question is: did <em>enough</em> people buy those books? I don't have Wizards' sales figures, but only a fraction of the player base is ever going to buy a Forgotten Realms book, or an Eberron book, or a Dark Sun book. It doesn't even matter how big a fraction - those books still cost them as much as a core book to produce, even though it's not going to sell anywhere near as many copies as said core book. So even if it's not a money <em>loser</em> - even if it earns a profit on top of making back whatever it had cost to produce it - it still might not make economical sense for them to go down that route. If nothing else they could allocate that budget to marketing Magic and likely see a far greater return on their investment.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If I'm understanding you correctly, you're not expecting a Darokin or Scarlet Brotherhood sourcebook because those products are probably niche products that won't sell as well as a big campaign setting book. But what Wizards' actions are leading me to believe is that <em>even a big campaign setting book is too niche</em>. If they thought it would sell well, they'd put one out. As it stands, D&D doesn't have a terribly big budget for such products, so they're not going to allocate resources to anything that won't be a huge seller.</p><p></p><p>I'd like to see web articles myself. Actually, what I'd <em>really</em> like to see is the return of Dragon and Dungeon. That would solve most everyone's complaints. With the recent Fantasy Grounds announcement coming out of left field, it's entirely possible that they <em>are</em> working on getting them off the ground.</p><p></p><p>But ultimately I enjoy the game whether there are articles or not, so it doesn't really affect me if they're <em>not</em> in the works. Personally I do think the settings should see the support you're asking for, but I don't think it's particularly harmful to the game to wait a year or two to come out with it. Most players don't play in a given setting, and I'd wager that there's a significant portion who do so but are ultimately indifferent to setting entirely - they are just using the Sword Coast because it's where the adventure paths are set.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Personally, neither do I, though I was pretty stoked to get the free Player's Companion with the elemental races and spells. But you're ignoring pemerton's point there, that what is going to determine what gets produced is going to rely on how well they'll sell.</p><p></p><p>Judging by the size of the D&D team and the product release schedule so far, I don't think it's a matter of producing a campaign setting book <em>in addition to</em> the adventure paths - it's a matter or producing one <em>instead</em> of the other.</p><p></p><p>Whether you or I like the APs is besides the point - they still sell better than campaign sourcebooks, so that's what's going to get made.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wizards' doesn't have infinite time and money, dude - and the D&D has even less. Whatever's going to get produced is going to have to be prioritized. Do they release the Mul racial stats and Dark Sun subclasses first thing, when players have been screaming for the Warforged and Artificer, or the mass combat rules that were cut from the DMG?</p><p></p><p>They're working on one thing at a time, and you're perfectly entitled to express your differences of opinion on how things get prioritized, but one way or another, the trade off for expecting Wizards' to do something for you instead of doing it yourself is that you will have to <em>wait</em> for it. </p><p></p><p>Possibly indefinitely - at the rate they're going, they might never get around to Spelljammer, for example.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What leads you to believe there is going to be anything <em>other</em> than a monthly pseudo-playtest document and two annual adventures with possible accompanying 25 page player document? That's all they've committed to publicly.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Everyone's definition of "something" is different. You're asking for setting stuff. What happens if they release Eberron first? The Dark Sun fans will scream bloody murder. Put out Dark Sun next? Now the Planescape fans are upset. Release Planescape? Now the old-school crowd is hammering them for abandoning they've been neglecting Greyhawk this whole time. And the Dragonlance crowd... are honestly probably used to being the red-headed stepchild by this point and have just adapted the old adventures to 5E themselves, so good on them I guess.</p><p></p><p>And that's <em>just the settings</em>. Other folks on the boards are demanding the return of prestige classes. Others want smaller plug-in adventures as opposed to big APs. Others want the MMII, and they want it now. Still others are insisting that what Wizards <em>needs</em> to do is introduce 4E-style tactical combat and bring the Warlord back. And how could Wizards' have possibly been so arrogant to ignore the demands of the fans who wanted to see psionics rules in the PHB on day one?</p><p></p><p>The only way they can cater to all of the above <em>is</em> 3.5 style glut, and it's not even the fact that 3.5 style glut is bad for the long-term prospects of the game that's preventing them from doing that. <em>It's that there's only ~8 developers working on D&D right now</em>, and they don't have the <em>ability</em> to work on more than 1 or 2 things at a time. They could spell out for us exactly what those things will be a year in advance, but why enrage the most vocal forum-ites by telling them they're not getting the Complete Guide to Illuskan Dairy Farmers for at least another year, when they can just release an adventure path and enrage the most vocal forum-ites <em>then</em>?</p><p></p><p>It's a strange game, this "communication" you're asking for. The only winning move is not to play.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Trickster Spirit, post: 7666991, member: 6701829"] I'm sure plenty of people bought those 4E setting books. The question is: did [I]enough[/I] people buy those books? I don't have Wizards' sales figures, but only a fraction of the player base is ever going to buy a Forgotten Realms book, or an Eberron book, or a Dark Sun book. It doesn't even matter how big a fraction - those books still cost them as much as a core book to produce, even though it's not going to sell anywhere near as many copies as said core book. So even if it's not a money [I]loser[/I] - even if it earns a profit on top of making back whatever it had cost to produce it - it still might not make economical sense for them to go down that route. If nothing else they could allocate that budget to marketing Magic and likely see a far greater return on their investment. If I'm understanding you correctly, you're not expecting a Darokin or Scarlet Brotherhood sourcebook because those products are probably niche products that won't sell as well as a big campaign setting book. But what Wizards' actions are leading me to believe is that [I]even a big campaign setting book is too niche[/I]. If they thought it would sell well, they'd put one out. As it stands, D&D doesn't have a terribly big budget for such products, so they're not going to allocate resources to anything that won't be a huge seller. I'd like to see web articles myself. Actually, what I'd [I]really[/I] like to see is the return of Dragon and Dungeon. That would solve most everyone's complaints. With the recent Fantasy Grounds announcement coming out of left field, it's entirely possible that they [i]are[/i] working on getting them off the ground. But ultimately I enjoy the game whether there are articles or not, so it doesn't really affect me if they're [i]not[/i] in the works. Personally I do think the settings should see the support you're asking for, but I don't think it's particularly harmful to the game to wait a year or two to come out with it. Most players don't play in a given setting, and I'd wager that there's a significant portion who do so but are ultimately indifferent to setting entirely - they are just using the Sword Coast because it's where the adventure paths are set. Personally, neither do I, though I was pretty stoked to get the free Player's Companion with the elemental races and spells. But you're ignoring pemerton's point there, that what is going to determine what gets produced is going to rely on how well they'll sell. Judging by the size of the D&D team and the product release schedule so far, I don't think it's a matter of producing a campaign setting book [I]in addition to[/I] the adventure paths - it's a matter or producing one [I]instead[/I] of the other. Whether you or I like the APs is besides the point - they still sell better than campaign sourcebooks, so that's what's going to get made. Wizards' doesn't have infinite time and money, dude - and the D&D has even less. Whatever's going to get produced is going to have to be prioritized. Do they release the Mul racial stats and Dark Sun subclasses first thing, when players have been screaming for the Warforged and Artificer, or the mass combat rules that were cut from the DMG? They're working on one thing at a time, and you're perfectly entitled to express your differences of opinion on how things get prioritized, but one way or another, the trade off for expecting Wizards' to do something for you instead of doing it yourself is that you will have to [I]wait[/I] for it. Possibly indefinitely - at the rate they're going, they might never get around to Spelljammer, for example. What leads you to believe there is going to be anything [I]other[/I] than a monthly pseudo-playtest document and two annual adventures with possible accompanying 25 page player document? That's all they've committed to publicly. Everyone's definition of "something" is different. You're asking for setting stuff. What happens if they release Eberron first? The Dark Sun fans will scream bloody murder. Put out Dark Sun next? Now the Planescape fans are upset. Release Planescape? Now the old-school crowd is hammering them for abandoning they've been neglecting Greyhawk this whole time. And the Dragonlance crowd... are honestly probably used to being the red-headed stepchild by this point and have just adapted the old adventures to 5E themselves, so good on them I guess. And that's [I]just the settings[/I]. Other folks on the boards are demanding the return of prestige classes. Others want smaller plug-in adventures as opposed to big APs. Others want the MMII, and they want it now. Still others are insisting that what Wizards [I]needs[/I] to do is introduce 4E-style tactical combat and bring the Warlord back. And how could Wizards' have possibly been so arrogant to ignore the demands of the fans who wanted to see psionics rules in the PHB on day one? The only way they can cater to all of the above [I]is[/I] 3.5 style glut, and it's not even the fact that 3.5 style glut is bad for the long-term prospects of the game that's preventing them from doing that. [I]It's that there's only ~8 developers working on D&D right now[/I], and they don't have the [I]ability[/I] to work on more than 1 or 2 things at a time. They could spell out for us exactly what those things will be a year in advance, but why enrage the most vocal forum-ites by telling them they're not getting the Complete Guide to Illuskan Dairy Farmers for at least another year, when they can just release an adventure path and enrage the most vocal forum-ites [I]then[/I]? It's a strange game, this "communication" you're asking for. The only winning move is not to play. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Jeremy Crawford On The Dark Side of Developing 5E
Top