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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 7667070" data-attributes="member: 87792">I've only got reading between the lines here. The <a href="http://forum.mongoosepublishing.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=54656" target="_blank">State of the Mongoose 2012</a> said that:The current RPG market is miserable. There really is no other word for it. I was talking to the owner of a certain well known RPG company just a little while ago, and he mentioned that he had sold a few hundred of his latest release. We agreed it was a good total in this day and age for the average RPG product (not saying his book was average but… oh, you get the point!). Then he dropped the bombshell; he had reliable information that his book had outsold the latest supplement of a very well known, not to mention market-leading, game.Market-leading game at the end of 2012 of course meant either D&D or Pathfinder (Onyx Path wasn't on the radar, Star Wars was just getting started and isn't market leading, Fate was holding its kickstarter so you wouldn't describe it that way; there were really no rivals). I'm guessing that that wasn't Paizo; I expect them to be smart enough to make a profit and they also publish fast. Menzobaranzan came out in August 2012 and nothing came out subsequently in 2012, so "a little while ago" combined with "latest supplement" is almost certain to be that. We also know it bombed (it simply didn't have an audience as it was systemless WoTC fluff so no one bought it, and if it had done adequately they'd have brought more books out).So it's only inference here. But the triangulation is excellent.On the other hand people bought the player side books for the Realms, Eberron, and Dark Sun. For one thing each of them had a class in - and they produced another one for Neverwinter (also containing a class, of course). I don't think either the Realms or Eberron DMs books sold well enough to be profitable which is why Dark Sun got a Creature Catalogue as its second book instead of a DM fluff book, something repeated for the excellent Monster Vault: Threats to the Nentir Vale. The other problem the DM books had for the Realms and Eberron is that 3.X Realms and Eberron material is of course dirt cheap and there's a lot of it. So if it wasn't offering mechanical integration (which you got out of the player books) it didn't add that much.And remember they moved the Dark Sun books over from Players' Guide + DMs Guide to Players Guide + Monster Book (swimming with plot hooks) before the entire Essentials fiasco. Most of us on these boards are either <a href="http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/digital-and-mobile/1537643/what-the-music-business-can-learn-from-the-gaming-and" target="_blank">dolphins or whales</a>. And I've pointed out before that WotC seems to be passing on both those markets for 5e.</blockquote>

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