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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7667156" data-attributes="member: 42582">In some ways I agree, but I think your use of the word &quot;token&quot; is an unfair overlay.First, there is [MENTION=16212]wedgeski[/MENTION]'s point - a two year playtest is not &quot;token&quot;. (I also think that the playtest is strong evidence that 4e made credible returns . If the last project from that division had been the financial flop some posters characterise 4e as, what rational management would have backed 5e? Presumably the revenue from DDI -all 4e-driven - also played an important role in financing the playtest.)Second, I don't regard two hardback adventures a year, plus UA, plus the tweet, plus a huge back catalogue being available via PDF, as &quot;token support&quot;. That's a well-supported RPG that is easy to get into and start playing.I think the notion of a well-supported RPG being one with lots of new supplements for sale was invented by RPG companies, as part of their marketing of books when books were the only way they could make money. From the point of view of the player base, new books aren't all that essential when there are so many already-published books available.This is why it is so important to 5e that it play like older editions, and that older edition conversions be relatively straightforward (both of which are recurring themes, that contrast with 4e). The truer this is, the more all that B/X and AD&amp;D material available on DriveThru supports the game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7667156, member: 42582"] In some ways I agree, but I think your use of the word "token" is an unfair overlay. First, there is [MENTION=16212]wedgeski[/MENTION]'s point - a two year playtest is not "token". (I also think that the playtest is strong evidence that 4e made credible returns . If the last project from that division had been the financial flop some posters characterise 4e as, what rational management would have backed 5e? Presumably the revenue from DDI -all 4e-driven - also played an important role in financing the playtest.) Second, I don't regard two hardback adventures a year, plus UA, plus the tweet, plus a huge back catalogue being available via PDF, as "token support". That's a well-supported RPG that is easy to get into and start playing. I think the notion of a well-supported RPG being one with lots of new supplements for sale was invented by RPG companies, as part of their marketing of books when books were the only way they could make money. From the point of view of the player base, new books aren't all that essential when there are so many already-published books available. This is why it is so important to 5e that it play like older editions, and that older edition conversions be relatively straightforward (both of which are recurring themes, that contrast with 4e). The truer this is, the more all that B/X and AD&D material available on DriveThru supports the game. [/QUOTE]

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