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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 7667282" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Of course not. He's not there to talk about 4e. He's there to talk about 5e. But it is utterly inarguable that, during the entire playtest, they continued to rake in tens of thousands of dollars (at least) from DDI. This income almost surely is how the D&amp;D portion of WotC was able to produce essentially nothing for nearly three years while taking a large gamble.And, again, any game that has &quot;D&amp;D&quot; written on the cover is going to sell extremely well. The (first) 4e PHB/DMG/MM all sold very well, and we had people speaking to that effect. Hell, even when talking about 5e, they've (repeatedly) stated that these start-of-the-line books are always the best sellers. By the standards of any other game, even Pathfinder, 4e was an enormous success. By the standards of the 800 million billion ton gorilla that is Hasbro, it's almost certainly not possible that 4e, even without Pathfinder, could have &quot;succeeded.&quot; We've already got a pretty clear indication that 4e itself had its gamble pitched to the higher-ups (mainly, &quot;we can bring D&amp;D into the digital age and tap the subscription market to generate top-tier revenues&quot;), and the gamble worked...again for the standards of the TTRPG market. DDI was an enormous success by those standards even if you account for all the stuff that went wrong or disappeared as vaporware. It just didn't live up to WotC's hopes and, thus, Hasbro's expectations.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 7667282, member: 6790260"] Of course not. He's not there to talk about 4e. He's there to talk about 5e. But it is utterly inarguable that, during the entire playtest, they continued to rake in tens of thousands of dollars (at least) from DDI. This income almost surely is how the D&D portion of WotC was able to produce essentially nothing for nearly three years [I]while[/I] taking a large gamble. And, again, any game that has "D&D" written on the cover is going to sell extremely well. The (first) 4e PHB/DMG/MM all sold very well, and we had people speaking to that effect. Hell, even when talking about 5e, they've (repeatedly) stated that these start-of-the-line books are always the best sellers. By the standards of any other game, [I]even Pathfinder[/I], 4e was an enormous success. By the standards of the 800 [I]million billion ton[/I] gorilla that is Hasbro, it's almost certainly not possible that 4e, [I]even without Pathfinder[/I], could have "succeeded." We've already got a pretty clear indication that 4e itself had its gamble pitched to the higher-ups (mainly, "we can bring D&D into the digital age and tap the subscription market to generate top-tier revenues"), and the gamble worked...again [I]for the standards of the TTRPG market[/I]. DDI was an enormous success by those standards even if you account for all the stuff that went wrong or disappeared as vaporware. It just didn't live up to WotC's hopes and, thus, Hasbro's expectations. [/QUOTE]

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