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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Staffan" data-source="post: 9703379" data-attributes="member: 907">You're probably thinking of the controversy surrounding the Camarilla sourcebook for Vampire 5 (not Chronicles of Darkness). Basically, the book had the ongoing persecution of LGBTQ+ folks in Chechnya be a plot by the vampires actually running the place, as a distraction from their other evil deeds. This made Paradox take closer control of the V5 product line, as they basically realized that the people they had doing it were a bit too edgelordy.While looking this up, I learned that this was to some degree a result of poor editing choices. The writer originally turned the chapter in as an in-character discussion between two vampires with different perspectives, along with sidebars providing a more nuanced view. But as it was too long, the editor took out the sidebars and turned the in-character subjective discussion into an out-of-character objective description.What does Wizards of the Coast have to do with anything? They are a completely different company from White Wolf. That's often a problem with long-running IPs: the desire of new writers to put something of their own in the setting will eventually cause it to be overloaded with things, particularly if those things are supposed to be secret. I think there was a mention in one of the original Vampire books that the Camarilla generally tried to keep the vampire population of cities to about 1 vampire per 100,000 people. That makes for a tiny population, and one I can definitely buy staying secret. The problem is when you add werewolves, wizards, fairies, demons, mummies, and whatever else they add to the setting (I'm not counting ghosts because they're basically doing their own thing), the overall supernatural population grows kind of big.In addition, as mentioned 1 vampire per 100k people makes for a tiny population. The 10th largest metrocomplex (Phoenix) in the US has a population of little over 5 million. The 20th largest (Orlando) about 3 million. After that, you get a lot of them at 1-3 million. But a city+environs of 3 million makes for a vampire population of 30. And in that 30 you're supposed to fit a whole vampire society with a Prince, their Senechal, a Primogen Council, a Herald, a Sheriff, and a Keeper of Elysium, with maybe other positions, plus enough "peon" vampires to be oppressed by the others.</blockquote>

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