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<blockquote data-quote="AnotherGuy" data-source="post: 8975365" data-attributes="member: 7029930"><p>Well there is a vast gulf between Shakespeare and 80's Schwarzenegger movies.</p><p>Let's take for instance Mr Fishburne - his lines are not as iconic as he makes them out to be with his over-the-top emphasis which result in them being quickly forgotten. Now contrast those with his dialogue in the first Matrix. You do not need Shakespeare to make an impression.</p><p></p><p>The deeper world building and Parabellum reflects that we should set this apart from your average shoot 'em types.</p><p></p><p>John Wick 1 and particularly Parabellum had quite a few emotional beats. The addition of Halle Berry along with the storyline elevated the last movie. I loved Parabellum as they added substance to the beautiful world building + cinematography.</p><p></p><p>With 4, there is a regression of that as they slip into a shoot 'em up mode and introduce several John Wick styled characters (stoic, single mindedness, superhuman brooding types). They're all super cool but they're 2D characters. They're no Halle Berry, so we connect with them "superficially".</p><p></p><p><strong>Think of Parabellum and its emotional beats</strong>.</p><p>In an act of utter desperation he uses his Marker to force Halle Berry to help him (this is not in his character but he does it anyways), and so doing threatens her world. He does the drastic move of relinquishing his ties to his clan for the favour of Safe Passage. The Elder asks him to kill a friend as his only way out. And then you have Winston with that act of utter betrayal in the end.</p><p></p><p>JW4, doesn't possess that level of depth, it has fewer and weaker emotional beats. It slides backwards on THAT front. The set pieces, cinematography and action scenes are incredible as is the villain, Clancy Brown, Scott Adkins, Natalia Tena and the little we see of Hiroyuki Sanada. But it fails in substance, in actual weight.</p><p></p><p>I saw Parabellum. I was expecting something similar or weightier for the finale. Especially for a finale.</p><p> </p><p>What it boils down to is that I had different expectations...which had been set-up because of the bar-raising done by the previous movie.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AnotherGuy, post: 8975365, member: 7029930"] Well there is a vast gulf between Shakespeare and 80's Schwarzenegger movies. Let's take for instance Mr Fishburne - his lines are not as iconic as he makes them out to be with his over-the-top emphasis which result in them being quickly forgotten. Now contrast those with his dialogue in the first Matrix. You do not need Shakespeare to make an impression. The deeper world building and Parabellum reflects that we should set this apart from your average shoot 'em types. John Wick 1 and particularly Parabellum had quite a few emotional beats. The addition of Halle Berry along with the storyline elevated the last movie. I loved Parabellum as they added substance to the beautiful world building + cinematography. With 4, there is a regression of that as they slip into a shoot 'em up mode and introduce several John Wick styled characters (stoic, single mindedness, superhuman brooding types). They're all super cool but they're 2D characters. They're no Halle Berry, so we connect with them "superficially". [B]Think of Parabellum and its emotional beats[/B]. In an act of utter desperation he uses his Marker to force Halle Berry to help him (this is not in his character but he does it anyways), and so doing threatens her world. He does the drastic move of relinquishing his ties to his clan for the favour of Safe Passage. The Elder asks him to kill a friend as his only way out. And then you have Winston with that act of utter betrayal in the end. JW4, doesn't possess that level of depth, it has fewer and weaker emotional beats. It slides backwards on THAT front. The set pieces, cinematography and action scenes are incredible as is the villain, Clancy Brown, Scott Adkins, Natalia Tena and the little we see of Hiroyuki Sanada. But it fails in substance, in actual weight. I saw Parabellum. I was expecting something similar or weightier for the finale. Especially for a finale. What it boils down to is that I had different expectations...which had been set-up because of the bar-raising done by the previous movie. [/QUOTE]
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