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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gfunk" data-source="post: 1188932" data-attributes="member: 1813">Thanks Daag, I appreciated the discretion. Yes, I am the so-called poster "Sanunu" and Caine is my new PC to replace Pez. Come on, couldn't you guys tell from my storytelling genius and min/maxing?<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> In case you doubt the min/max potential of Caine, his 20 level progression (which is what I posted on another thread) is Sorcerer 9/Apostle of Peace 2/Mystic Theurge 9. This will give him access to both 9th level Cleric and Sor/Wiz spells by 20th level! Well, the erudite designers of this module decided to put an advanced Eryines to fight the PCs in this room. We discussed this after the near TPK with JollyDoc. She had 11 HD (at least), giving her three attacks/round with her flaming bow. This means, of course, that her SR was bumped up ~22 or so. Meaning that we needed to roll 14s or 15s on caster level checks to get our spells through (we didin't).  On top of this, she had well over 100 hp and elemental resistances typical of devils so even if our spells go through they would not have done much damage. Furthermore, the room was specifically designed in her favor. (1) The entire bottom floor of the chamber was filled with water, halving movement, (2) summoning was prevented in the entire altar area (as Wathros discovered), (3) she could fly around, easily avoiding our melee attacks (except Pez). IMO, this puts the CR will over 11. But, look on the bright side . . . if we HAD defeated her then we would have to face her Pit Fiend lover. And if we HAD defeated him we would have to face . . . Entropy<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /></blockquote>

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