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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8203106" data-attributes="member: 42582">I agree with [USER=16586]@Campbell[/USER] about the (non-)flexibility of D&amp;D, though am coming at it through a slightly different set of experiences, including no 5e D&amp;D play.* One example, which has come up in the Worlds of Design: War thread - D&amp;D does not support PCs as warband leaders.* Another example from a recent thread: D&amp;D has never had decent rules for mounted combat and jousting (I don't know if the Chainmail jousting rules are any good, but anyway I'm not counting them as D&amp;D rules).* D&amp;D doesn't have very good rules for courting and wooing. Even 4e carves up its skills, like Bluff and Diplomacy, with an eye towards pragmatic/external action-oriented outcomes rather than the realisation of internal passions and commitments.* D&amp;D has never made it straightforward to adjudicate a Robin Hood/Errol Flynn/Luke Skywalker swing-to-or-from-enemies-on-a-rope. 4e has a discussion of this on p 42 of the DMG, but it's not a core player move - it's one of those &quot;actions the rules don't cover&quot;.* D&amp;D has never had a rule, beyond GM decides, to determine if an imprisoned PC has a key or dagger or similar smuggled in by a secret admirer on the outside.I could continue, but the things I've mentioned are all pretty basic tropes in the literature from which D&amp;D claims direct inspiration - pulp and romantic adventure stories.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8203106, member: 42582"] I agree with [USER=16586]@Campbell[/USER] about the (non-)flexibility of D&D, though am coming at it through a slightly different set of experiences, including no 5e D&D play. * One example, which has come up in the Worlds of Design: War thread - D&D does not support PCs as warband leaders. * Another example from a recent thread: D&D has never had decent rules for mounted combat and jousting (I don't know if the Chainmail jousting rules are any good, but anyway I'm not counting them as D&D rules). * D&D doesn't have very good rules for courting and wooing. Even 4e carves up its skills, like Bluff and Diplomacy, with an eye towards pragmatic/external action-oriented outcomes rather than the realisation of internal passions and commitments. * D&D has never made it straightforward to adjudicate a Robin Hood/Errol Flynn/Luke Skywalker swing-to-or-from-enemies-on-a-rope. 4e has a discussion of this on p 42 of the DMG, but it's not a core player move - it's one of those "actions the rules don't cover". * D&D has never had a rule, beyond GM decides, to determine if an imprisoned PC has a key or dagger or similar smuggled in by a secret admirer on the outside. I could continue, but the things I've mentioned are all pretty basic tropes in the literature from which D&D claims direct inspiration - pulp and romantic adventure stories. [/QUOTE]

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