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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 8218470" data-attributes="member: 6698278">I get it.&nbsp; You have different concepts around metagame mechanics.&nbsp; I've gotten it.&nbsp; I didn't want for this conversation to degenerate into another debate on these topics because I know we fundamentally disagree to our cores and neither of us is going to change.&nbsp;&nbsp; The point though is system matters.&nbsp; That has been established. You live in a different world from me.&nbsp; I just don't see things as you do.&nbsp; Plenty of bad things happened to PCs during the time when D&amp;D was essentially in the OSR era.&nbsp;&nbsp; If it didn't for you then your experience is different from mine and many others.&nbsp; The game is a super heroic fantasy though so a 20th level fighter getting killed by a 1st level orc doesn't happen.&nbsp; Of course there is a stark disconnect and from your tone a triggering one at that.&nbsp; You can rail at the stars but the facts are a lot of us feel differently and experience D&amp;D differently.&nbsp;&nbsp; I very much played D&amp;D in the early days and it satisfied those things I was looking for in a game.&nbsp; My criticism of the game in those days would mostly be about things I'd expect an OSR game to fix.&nbsp; Things like rolling high and positive armor class and no THAC0.&nbsp; I don't mind choices either so a bit of 3e would be fine but simultaneous to adding choices they also made the game far less in other areas I like.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's why I think ACKS will likely satisfy me for now.&nbsp; I like C&amp;C but it's just a bit simple even for me.&nbsp; They have some great ideas though so I'm not bashing C&amp;C.&nbsp; It's a good game and I'd play it.Also realize that we are talking high fantasy.&nbsp; If I were playing a space opera game, my desire for the high part of high fantasy would be far less.&nbsp;&nbsp; I like N.E.W.&nbsp; a lot and would play it for a space game.&nbsp; It's far closer to GURPS than D&amp;D though I think the system is better than GURPS.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 8218470, member: 6698278"] I get it. You have different concepts around metagame mechanics. I've gotten it. I didn't want for this conversation to degenerate into another debate on these topics because I know we fundamentally disagree to our cores and neither of us is going to change. The point though is system matters. That has been established. You live in a different world from me. I just don't see things as you do. Plenty of bad things happened to PCs during the time when D&D was essentially in the OSR era. If it didn't for you then your experience is different from mine and many others. The game is a super heroic fantasy though so a 20th level fighter getting killed by a 1st level orc doesn't happen. Of course there is a stark disconnect and from your tone a triggering one at that. You can rail at the stars but the facts are a lot of us feel differently and experience D&D differently. I very much played D&D in the early days and it satisfied those things I was looking for in a game. My criticism of the game in those days would mostly be about things I'd expect an OSR game to fix. Things like rolling high and positive armor class and no THAC0. I don't mind choices either so a bit of 3e would be fine but simultaneous to adding choices they also made the game far less in other areas I like. It's why I think ACKS will likely satisfy me for now. I like C&C but it's just a bit simple even for me. They have some great ideas though so I'm not bashing C&C. It's a good game and I'd play it. Also realize that we are talking high fantasy. If I were playing a space opera game, my desire for the high part of high fantasy would be far less. I like N.E.W. a lot and would play it for a space game. It's far closer to GURPS than D&D though I think the system is better than GURPS. [/QUOTE]

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