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<blockquote data-quote="oreofox" data-source="post: 7749772" data-attributes="member: 6776240"><p>Speaking of the horrific "rolling for stats" and cheating just to get that 18/00: This is an anecdote of my personal sessions in the very limited time I played 2e AD&D before 3e came out. First, my sister's human fighter (an abomination in itself, as she typically goes for elven spellcasters). We rolled 3d6, and I think in order but can't be certain (which would explain the fighter), and she rolled an 18. We didn't have many dice, so it was 1d6 three times. On the % for exceptional Strength, she rolled a 76. No other character in that party had a score higher than 16.</p><p></p><p>2nd story: I was rolling up a character in my now-brother-in-law's campaign (my friend married my sister from that first story). All rolls were with physical dice, right in front of the DM's eyes. Again, we used 3d6 though we could put them wherever. My exact rolls were 18, 18, 18, 17, 16, 12. I could have had the biggest badass I have ever played. However, I said screw that and gave those stats to the DM for an NPC (the BBEG that we would have faced if not for abandoning AD&D for 3e). I rerolled and got a much worse character (I think my highest was a 14?).</p><p></p><p>What does all that have to do with anything? Like I said, just anecdotes about people only getting high stats by cheating, which just isn't true. Did other people cheat? Probably. Looking back at those rolls with the 3 18s, that character would have been mediocre to good in Pathfinder. 5e did great by limiting the numbers to 20 for PCs. And no where during at least 2e AD&D did I hear anyone say that having a 14 in your character's main stat meant you were gimping yourself like I have since 3.5 came out. Hell, a 7, 8, or 9 weren't completely garbage until 3rd edition came out. Emphasis on stats is a big thing in WotC era D&D. I don't ever recall seeing a monster's stats in a Monster Manual (other than Intelligence) before 3rd edition came out. Yes, getting 18/00 was everyone's dream, but you weren't considered a garbage fighter if you had a 15 in Strength. Now, if you have a 15 in Strength as a martial class (fighter, paladin, barbarian mostly), you are considered garbage and dragging the whole party down because you "wanted to play a special snowflake because charop is bad!!!".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="oreofox, post: 7749772, member: 6776240"] Speaking of the horrific "rolling for stats" and cheating just to get that 18/00: This is an anecdote of my personal sessions in the very limited time I played 2e AD&D before 3e came out. First, my sister's human fighter (an abomination in itself, as she typically goes for elven spellcasters). We rolled 3d6, and I think in order but can't be certain (which would explain the fighter), and she rolled an 18. We didn't have many dice, so it was 1d6 three times. On the % for exceptional Strength, she rolled a 76. No other character in that party had a score higher than 16. 2nd story: I was rolling up a character in my now-brother-in-law's campaign (my friend married my sister from that first story). All rolls were with physical dice, right in front of the DM's eyes. Again, we used 3d6 though we could put them wherever. My exact rolls were 18, 18, 18, 17, 16, 12. I could have had the biggest badass I have ever played. However, I said screw that and gave those stats to the DM for an NPC (the BBEG that we would have faced if not for abandoning AD&D for 3e). I rerolled and got a much worse character (I think my highest was a 14?). What does all that have to do with anything? Like I said, just anecdotes about people only getting high stats by cheating, which just isn't true. Did other people cheat? Probably. Looking back at those rolls with the 3 18s, that character would have been mediocre to good in Pathfinder. 5e did great by limiting the numbers to 20 for PCs. And no where during at least 2e AD&D did I hear anyone say that having a 14 in your character's main stat meant you were gimping yourself like I have since 3.5 came out. Hell, a 7, 8, or 9 weren't completely garbage until 3rd edition came out. Emphasis on stats is a big thing in WotC era D&D. I don't ever recall seeing a monster's stats in a Monster Manual (other than Intelligence) before 3rd edition came out. Yes, getting 18/00 was everyone's dream, but you weren't considered a garbage fighter if you had a 15 in Strength. Now, if you have a 15 in Strength as a martial class (fighter, paladin, barbarian mostly), you are considered garbage and dragging the whole party down because you "wanted to play a special snowflake because charop is bad!!!". [/QUOTE]
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