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<blockquote data-quote="Aaron L" data-source="post: 7823433" data-attributes="member: 926"><p>Oh trust me, I know that it was a misguided attempt to appease people who were never going to buy the books and were going to hate D&D no matter what; back in high school a group of people within our church started spreading rumors about my brother and I because we played D&D, such as that we sacrificed animals and put the blood on the church steps, and other things like that. The rumors took hold quickly and we were made to feel so unwelcome that I was essentially shunned from taking part in church youth group activities and trips, which had been my only real social outlet when I was young and the only thing that got me out of the house to interact with people in a (seemingly) friendly environment.</p><p></p><p>I wasn't meaning to imply all that the Baatezu and Tanar'ri renaming itself was a lazy attempt to co-opt existing mythology (they <em>had</em> originally been flat out called Devils and Demons, after all.) I still fully believe it was a <em>poor</em> decision, but not a lazy one. I started playing with 2nd Edition and was originally exposed to the monsters under those names, and I actually quite like them, even though at first I thought it was weird that such obvious demons were called by these odd names, and why the Devas, Planetars, and Solars weren't referred to as Angels even though they clearly were. (And I still much prefer the replacement terms Gehereleth and Yugoloth to Demodand and Daemon.) </p><p></p><p>With Baatezu they obviously made an attempt at creating a term that still invoked a similiar feeling of malicious supernatural creatures, and Tanar'ri is just a cool name in itself. It was ony a year or so after I started playing that I discovered that they had originally actually been called Demons and Devils withut the obfuscation, and then I eventually realized the reason <em>why</em> they had changed the names. I just disliked that they removed the names Demon and Devil from the game, and I <em>especially</em> disliked the reasons <em>why</em> they did it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aaron L, post: 7823433, member: 926"] Oh trust me, I know that it was a misguided attempt to appease people who were never going to buy the books and were going to hate D&D no matter what; back in high school a group of people within our church started spreading rumors about my brother and I because we played D&D, such as that we sacrificed animals and put the blood on the church steps, and other things like that. The rumors took hold quickly and we were made to feel so unwelcome that I was essentially shunned from taking part in church youth group activities and trips, which had been my only real social outlet when I was young and the only thing that got me out of the house to interact with people in a (seemingly) friendly environment. I wasn't meaning to imply all that the Baatezu and Tanar'ri renaming itself was a lazy attempt to co-opt existing mythology (they [I]had[/I] originally been flat out called Devils and Demons, after all.) I still fully believe it was a [I]poor[/I] decision, but not a lazy one. I started playing with 2nd Edition and was originally exposed to the monsters under those names, and I actually quite like them, even though at first I thought it was weird that such obvious demons were called by these odd names, and why the Devas, Planetars, and Solars weren't referred to as Angels even though they clearly were. (And I still much prefer the replacement terms Gehereleth and Yugoloth to Demodand and Daemon.) With Baatezu they obviously made an attempt at creating a term that still invoked a similiar feeling of malicious supernatural creatures, and Tanar'ri is just a cool name in itself. It was ony a year or so after I started playing that I discovered that they had originally actually been called Demons and Devils withut the obfuscation, and then I eventually realized the reason [I]why[/I] they had changed the names. I just disliked that they removed the names Demon and Devil from the game, and I [I]especially[/I] disliked the reasons [I]why[/I] they did it. [/QUOTE]
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