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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gorgon Zee" data-source="post: 7926375" data-attributes="member: 75787">It is interesting to see the comments on this; a very clear split into those who are very simulation-oriented ("13th Age is great!") and those who think of games as primarily simulation ("13th Age works  well but I don't see how it makes sense"). I'm not sure this is reconcilable, honestly. If you require any form of in-game resources to cast spells (per-day casts, spell points, hit points) then any sane adventurer is going to alpha-strike the enemy and then rest up whenever possible. It's just a sensible thing to do from an in-game perspective. You can lessen the impact using various fixes, or you can run in game excuses why you cannot recover resources (which often are a bit silly: "the swaying of the boat prevents you from sleeping soundly", "magical forces prevent learning spells right now") but the core problems will always be there.For those of us happy to put game rules ahead of simulation, it's much easier. We can just say "three hard fights before you recover resources" and be done. We can theme it for the benefit of the simulation-minded, but it's the same sort of thin veneer that seems silly ("the gods do not grant you recovery because you have not proved yourself in enough fights"). I'm in the middle of playing some Epic-level 4E at the moment, and our current arc is not letting us get full recoveries ever ... but some non-player characters can grant them if you follow their plot-lines, or you can dip into a magical pool and it'll work out. It feels very much a kludge to get around the problem of trying to simulate in a way that makes the game fun -- we are playing I think about 4 modules in a single day, so no full recoveries, but instead the game inserts them as "GM events" every ... um ... three hard encounters or so?Basically it's almost exactly using the 13th Age model, but adding on a simulationist facade. Which is both a bit silly and bit frustrating.</blockquote>

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