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<blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 9647638" data-attributes="member: 7026594">Good post.I watched a video essay recently on flaws in Samwise (for example his love for Frodo contains an element of jealousy, and overprotectiveness taken to the level of suspicion) and in a moment when Gollum was nearly redeemed.&nbsp; It centered on his internal struggle after being &quot;betrayed&quot; by Frodo with the rangers in Ithilien; how he largely understood, but his hateful Gollum &quot;side&quot; and&nbsp; loving Smeagol aspect were in conflict, and he deferred his decision about Shelob until they were climbing the stair above Minas Morgul.&nbsp; There's a scene where he returns from scouting to find Frodo fitfully sleeping with his head in Sam's lap, and Sam has dozed off too.&nbsp; Smeagol feels this wave of sympathy and fellow-feeling and reaches out a hand in toward Frodo, but Sam jerks awake and in his jealous suspicion he castigates and insults Smeagol.&nbsp; And this verbal/emotional abuse basically turns Gollum, who was on the precipice of committing fully to being Smeagol again, back to the dark and commits him to the betrayal.&nbsp; Tolkien apparently talked in an interview about how this was a heartbreaking scene to write.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mannahnin, post: 9647638, member: 7026594"] Good post. I watched a video essay recently on flaws in Samwise (for example his love for Frodo contains an element of jealousy, and overprotectiveness taken to the level of suspicion) and in a moment when Gollum was nearly redeemed. It centered on his internal struggle after being "betrayed" by Frodo with the rangers in Ithilien; how he largely understood, but his hateful Gollum "side" and loving Smeagol aspect were in conflict, and he deferred his decision about Shelob until they were climbing the stair above Minas Morgul. There's a scene where he returns from scouting to find Frodo fitfully sleeping with his head in Sam's lap, and Sam has dozed off too. Smeagol feels this wave of sympathy and fellow-feeling and reaches out a hand in toward Frodo, but Sam jerks awake and in his jealous suspicion he castigates and insults Smeagol. And this verbal/emotional abuse basically turns Gollum, who was on the precipice of committing fully to being Smeagol again, back to the dark and commits him to the betrayal. Tolkien apparently talked in an interview about how this was a heartbreaking scene to write. [/QUOTE]

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