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<blockquote data-quote="Jfdlsjfd" data-source="post: 9702023" data-attributes="member: 42856"><p>I am pretty sure the judge wasn't "tricked", as in "he checked and still thought the bogus cases were real". I won't comment on his job since maybe it's OK to roll a dice and determine who wins in his juridiction, but barring that, if it was to actually decide on the case based on what the parties provides, he obviously didn't do his job. He wasn't tricked by AI. He neglected to do the job of weighing the arguments at the trial. The defendant lawyer wasn't tricked at all: he saw the bogus case and appealed. The appeal judge wasn't tricked either.</p><p></p><p>I have trouble thinking anyone was tricked. The initial lawyer filing was probably aware of it (but admittedly, maybe he was tricked, but that would be moronic to quote cases you don't even know the content and have never heard of), but neither the judge nor the defendant lawyer were. And the US judicial system worked: the problem was detected in the working of the judge, the bad laywer was fined. It's a political decision on whether a fine is sufficent or harsher measures are necessary (disbarment, dismemberment...) to prevent lawyers from inventing cases, whether by using AI or using their own imagination, but yes, the end result was that the bad lawyer is pointed at and laughed at (and 5,000 USD poorer).</p><p></p><p>Some have said that maybe some case fly under the radar and are decided without anyone noticing anything wrong (which would mean that none of the involved professionals bothered to check, but OK, let's assume that the system itself is broken), it's quite easy to verify: take a statistically significant number of cases in a juridiction and check all precedents quoted for existence against a reputable database. And then see if increased safety measures should be implemented (or don't have judge rely on precedent for ruling, but that's a larger-scale solution to implement).</p><p></p><p>And if you're in the unfortunate situation where both the other party's lawyer, the judge and your own lawyers conspire against your interests, you wouldn't have gotten justice anyway.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jfdlsjfd, post: 9702023, member: 42856"] I am pretty sure the judge wasn't "tricked", as in "he checked and still thought the bogus cases were real". I won't comment on his job since maybe it's OK to roll a dice and determine who wins in his juridiction, but barring that, if it was to actually decide on the case based on what the parties provides, he obviously didn't do his job. He wasn't tricked by AI. He neglected to do the job of weighing the arguments at the trial. The defendant lawyer wasn't tricked at all: he saw the bogus case and appealed. The appeal judge wasn't tricked either. I have trouble thinking anyone was tricked. The initial lawyer filing was probably aware of it (but admittedly, maybe he was tricked, but that would be moronic to quote cases you don't even know the content and have never heard of), but neither the judge nor the defendant lawyer were. And the US judicial system worked: the problem was detected in the working of the judge, the bad laywer was fined. It's a political decision on whether a fine is sufficent or harsher measures are necessary (disbarment, dismemberment...) to prevent lawyers from inventing cases, whether by using AI or using their own imagination, but yes, the end result was that the bad lawyer is pointed at and laughed at (and 5,000 USD poorer). Some have said that maybe some case fly under the radar and are decided without anyone noticing anything wrong (which would mean that none of the involved professionals bothered to check, but OK, let's assume that the system itself is broken), it's quite easy to verify: take a statistically significant number of cases in a juridiction and check all precedents quoted for existence against a reputable database. And then see if increased safety measures should be implemented (or don't have judge rely on precedent for ruling, but that's a larger-scale solution to implement). And if you're in the unfortunate situation where both the other party's lawyer, the judge and your own lawyers conspire against your interests, you wouldn't have gotten justice anyway. [/QUOTE]
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