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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Firebird" data-source="post: 9704949" data-attributes="member: 7015803">I've been reflecting on this for a few days and want to add something.My wife used to work with a patient population where diabetes was common. They'd get young kids with risk factors to develop it soon, and advise the parents how to help the kids avoid it. In many cases, the parents would get super prickly and defensive--"I'm diabetic, my friends are diabetic, are you saying there is something wrong with it? I don't think there is anything bad about my kid becoming diabetic".Because it was so common, perhaps because they were insecure about it, it became a kind of identitarian marker for them. So, it took a lot of care to communicate solutions appropriately. Obviously the medical professionals trying to stop the kids from getting diabetes weren't saying they were better than people who had it. But it was perceived that way.---The expertise angle works the same way. I know that you, Danny, are not saying that you (or medical professionals) are superior to other people in any way. But, there are a lot of people who aren't well educated, who didn't finish high school or attend college. And this can become an identitarian marker. And the same kind of defensiveness manifests. It can become kind of a game to look at highly educated people and make fun of the stupid things they do and their misconceptions (and what they waste their money studying, to connect to the science funding).When you approach this kind of community and say "you don't have the training to evaluate medical claims with accuracy", it doesn't matter if you're right, and it doesn't matter that you have the best intentions and really want to help them. It is going to come across, to many people, as if you are saying "I think you're stupid because you didn't go to college". If you repeat this over and over while making decisions that affect their lives, it's going to breed distrust and resentment and conspiratorial thinking.---If LLMs repeat this same kind of phrasing, I suspect you will see conspiracy theories regarding the creators, attempts to 'fix' the LLMs (we have seen some already) and 'alternative' LLMs (likewise).</blockquote>

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