Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Rocket your D&D 5E and Level Up: Advanced 5E games into space! Alpha Star Magazine Is Launching... Right Now!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Geek Talk & Media
Judge decides case based on AI-hallucinated case law
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 9798114" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>During my lifetime, no, it has not. Real wages have remained basically flat for most of the American population since about 1979. That's not "more than compensating" - that's treading water.</p><p></p><p>Cite: Real Wage Trends, 1979-2019, Congressional Research Service.</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R45090.pdf[/URL]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Discussion of public policy gets us into politics. So, I will limit myself to noting that "mitigating" inequality is patching over the fact that the inequalities exist, rather than correcting the actual inequality.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Congressional Budget office says otherwise. From 1979 to 2019, real (meaning inflation-adjusted) wages grew</p><p></p><p>41.3% for the 90th percentile, top earners</p><p>8.8% for the 50th percentile</p><p>6.5% for the 10th percentile.</p><p></p><p>That bottom is so low that, for some groups (for example - men) real wages have <em>fallen</em> by 3% for the 50th percentile, and dropped 7.7% for the 10th percentile. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, not really true, as above - the person in the middle or below isn't having an easier time putting bread on the table, getting kids educated, or buying a home. Especially when you realize that wages do not equal wealth - increased wages in that top 10% may be getting eaten by other costs - like education debt - leaving them with less actual wealth increase overall than wages might imply.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Even if it were a simple one-for-one trade, that would be just shuffling around who gets to be poor from one decade to the next. If that's all you are going to do with technological advancement, why bother advancing?</p><p></p><p>But, in reality, it isn't a one-for-one trade. <em><strong>We are not in some zero-sum game among the wage earners! </strong></em></p><p></p><p>In 1979, the US population was about 219 million, and the GDP was about $2.6 trillion dollars.</p><p>In 2023, the US population was about 343 million, and the GDP was abotu $27 trillion dollars.</p><p></p><p>Population increased by about 56%. Real wages increased about 6-8% for the bulk of them. But the overall wealth produced each year increased by a <em>factor of 10</em>.</p><p></p><p>That wealth is going somewhere - but it isn't to the wage earners who are technically <em>producing</em> that wealth - or real wages could have risen far more than 6% to 8%. It is getting siphoned out of the wage system entirely.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 9798114, member: 177"] During my lifetime, no, it has not. Real wages have remained basically flat for most of the American population since about 1979. That's not "more than compensating" - that's treading water. Cite: Real Wage Trends, 1979-2019, Congressional Research Service. [URL unfurl="true"]https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R45090.pdf[/URL] Discussion of public policy gets us into politics. So, I will limit myself to noting that "mitigating" inequality is patching over the fact that the inequalities exist, rather than correcting the actual inequality. The Congressional Budget office says otherwise. From 1979 to 2019, real (meaning inflation-adjusted) wages grew 41.3% for the 90th percentile, top earners 8.8% for the 50th percentile 6.5% for the 10th percentile. That bottom is so low that, for some groups (for example - men) real wages have [I]fallen[/I] by 3% for the 50th percentile, and dropped 7.7% for the 10th percentile. Again, not really true, as above - the person in the middle or below isn't having an easier time putting bread on the table, getting kids educated, or buying a home. Especially when you realize that wages do not equal wealth - increased wages in that top 10% may be getting eaten by other costs - like education debt - leaving them with less actual wealth increase overall than wages might imply. Even if it were a simple one-for-one trade, that would be just shuffling around who gets to be poor from one decade to the next. If that's all you are going to do with technological advancement, why bother advancing? But, in reality, it isn't a one-for-one trade. [I][B]We are not in some zero-sum game among the wage earners! [/B][/I] In 1979, the US population was about 219 million, and the GDP was about $2.6 trillion dollars. In 2023, the US population was about 343 million, and the GDP was abotu $27 trillion dollars. Population increased by about 56%. Real wages increased about 6-8% for the bulk of them. But the overall wealth produced each year increased by a [I]factor of 10[/I]. That wealth is going somewhere - but it isn't to the wage earners who are technically [I]producing[/I] that wealth - or real wages could have risen far more than 6% to 8%. It is getting siphoned out of the wage system entirely. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Geek Talk & Media
Judge decides case based on AI-hallucinated case law
Top