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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7053624" data-attributes="member: 37579">I said all campaigns have a plot, not that all of them have a plot created by the DM. But just because the DM is the one generating the plot doesn't mean it's a railroad. A GM can create a sandbox with a plot. Or a metaplot that just unfolds in the background of the campaign. Or a flexible plot that the players can influence and alter. Railroad campaigns and sandbox campaigns are two ends of a spectrum. Previously I said 'What determines if a campaign is a railroad or not is if the players can deviate from the plot or ignore the presented plot's existence." In that statement I was implying "the DM's plot", but I guess I need to say it explicitly: What determines if a campaign is a railroad or not is if the players can deviate from the Gamemaster's plot or ignore the presented plot's existence.thinking on the topic at hand:From your OP:Thinking on this, this statement could be condensed to "saying no to a player initiated plan is railroading." But, by that logic, so would saying yes. Because both are a judgement calls. The DM making a decision.But where is the line? They asked for a very reasonable thing: container. But what if it had been unreasonable? A large diamond? A stuffed capybara? A +1 sword? Would it be railroading not to say "no" and roll randomly?</blockquote>