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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 7054975" data-attributes="member: 48965">Okay maybe I'm not being clear enough... isn't just establishing the fact that the giants are willing to negotiate an application of DM force?&nbsp; Why did these giants even deign to speak with these humans?&nbsp; It seems the roll was to determine whether they were allowed to enter the settlement (or am I misunderstanding??).&nbsp;&nbsp; I guess I'm trying to figure out why is a DM deciding... Yes the giants will speak with you as opposed to ignore you... attack you...etc before you can negotiate with them not a use of DM force to direct the outcome towards a predetermined point (they are allowed to negotiate with the giants)?&nbsp; In default D&amp;D 5e I believe this is handled with DM force with the DM setting the disposition of the giants towards the characters... but in [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION]'s style of play it seems this should be resolved without using DM force... but it's not. In other words why is deciding there is or is not a container in a room considered railroading but deciding the giants are disposed to talk is not?&nbsp; I'm missing the distinction here and am trying to understand it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 7054975, member: 48965"] Okay maybe I'm not being clear enough... isn't just establishing the fact that the giants are willing to negotiate an application of DM force? Why did these giants even deign to speak with these humans? It seems the roll was to determine whether they were allowed to enter the settlement (or am I misunderstanding??). I guess I'm trying to figure out why is a DM deciding... Yes the giants will speak with you as opposed to ignore you... attack you...etc before you can negotiate with them not a use of DM force to direct the outcome towards a predetermined point (they are allowed to negotiate with the giants)? In default D&D 5e I believe this is handled with DM force with the DM setting the disposition of the giants towards the characters... but in [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION]'s style of play it seems this should be resolved without using DM force... but it's not. In other words why is deciding there is or is not a container in a room considered railroading but deciding the giants are disposed to talk is not? I'm missing the distinction here and am trying to understand it. [/QUOTE]

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