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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Campbell" data-source="post: 7082417" data-attributes="member: 16586">[MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION]I am still somewhat uncomfortable with the player driven vs. GM driven framing. Under that framing it feels like the point is to resolve creative conflicts between players and GMs. That's not what I want. Ideally when we sit down to play a game our interests as players are the same. What I want rules to bring to the table is a fiction that is not what either of us wanted, but is compelling enough to accept. I want the game to actively contribute. I want it to get in our way in ways that are an improvement over the sort of hard won consensus you find in Principled Freeform roleplaying. It needs to make the conversation more interesting for its presence. System must earn its keep or be banished. We do not need it to functionally play. Exactly so. I meant to clarify that I would rather play in a principled way using a different set of skills than try to play in my most preferred way, but be met with frustration when I am not being rewarded for it socially, frictionally, or mechanically.</blockquote>