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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Campbell" data-source="post: 7090220" data-attributes="member: 16586">I get it. I know saying contentious and provocative things can make communication more difficult. I just really do not know a better way to meaningfully talk about these concerns while retaining the full context of what I mean. I have tried to approach this conversation as thoughtfully as I can because I know criticism can be tenuous and problematic at times. If there is a better way of framing my concerns that still speaks to their weight please let me know!All I really know how to do is to say what I think in as thoughtful a way as I possibly can. I am not really interested in telling people what they should think or how they should play. I just want to express my own preferences, clarify what I feel are cultural and factual misconceptions, and discuss this thing we all do. I really do value everyone's perspective here. Part of respecting those perspectives is saying what I fully mean and expecting others to do the same in a genuine meeting of the minds. I do not feel like using weasel words would really aid in real open conversation. It might lead to a less confrontational dialog, but we would just be dancing around the actual subject matter - not really addressing it in a genuine way.Throughout this conversation I have attempted to assume good faith from all participants, engage with what I see as posters' full meaning, and take everything said in the best possible light - especially when I disagreed with the poster. I tend to be more overtly critical of posters who share my general preferences. I have probably been slightly unfair to [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] at times.      At times I have been somewhat wary of having this conversation in the open. It has sometimes been difficult for me to engage in thoughtful analysis of something I am so passionate about. Cultural issues have also made this discussion somewhat difficult. I know how to talk about this stuff in the context of other indie gamers, people I introduce to gaming and the people I know personally. I do not really know how to talk about this stuff with the level of detailed analysis I am attempting in this thread with gamers that are steeped so deeply in the mainstream gaming culture. I have been more provocative than I should have been at times, but I feel like actively avoiding being contentious can often be just as harmful to meaningful discussion as purposefully pushing people's buttons. When we actively avoid conflict in service to social cohesion we lose much of the difference of perspective that makes this sorts of dialog worth having.My approach to this conversation has been a willingness to engage in other posters' problematic content with the expectation that they will engage mine. I try not to overreact when other posters say things I consider contentious, but like still meaningfully address their points. I appreciate it when other posters do the same. This matches with my general approach to running games and most social interactions with people I trust. In terms of trust models it is I Will Not Abandon You rather than Nobody Gets Hurt. I feel like [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] has approached things in terms of Go To The Pain where you deliberately push people's buttons with the expectation that they will push back in the form of rigorous debate. That is to be expected of a Burning Wheel GM and academic lawyer!I'll have more on trust models and their impact on gaming in my next post.</blockquote>

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