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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7096640" data-attributes="member: 29398"><p>This is a key point - most (but not by any means all) RPG systems are either robust enough or flexible enough to withstand some kitbashing; thus if you don't like the way something works you can always change it to suit your preferences.</p><p></p><p>Problems only really arise when a system is so tightly designed* that changing something <em>here</em> is going to have unavoidable knock-on effects <em>here</em>, <em>here</em> and <em>here</em>...each of which then requires its own tweak to bring it back in line, thus causing further knock-ons down the line - until you find you're in fact rebuilding the whole thing from scratch.</p><p></p><p>* - some see this as a feature...which it is but only if the system as written works <strong>perfectly</strong> for everyone who wants to play / DM it. I see it as a bug, because the perfect system for everyone does not yet exist (if it did, we'd all be playing it).</p><p></p><p>3e was bad for this (I say having long-term played in a somewhat-kitbashed 3e game where the knock-on effects eventually became overwhelming) and from what I can tell 4e was also not very easy to modify other than a few very minor things....when it first came out I had a long hard look at it to see if I could modify it into anything I'd ever want to run or play and quickly concluded it'd be easier just to either a) stay with what I already had or b) start over from scratch.</p><p></p><p>1e and 5e, however, were both designed as mod-able frameworks with the kitbasher squarely in mind, and the DMGs for both call this out.</p><p></p><p>Lan-"and, vaguely back toward topic, kitbashing should be the purview of either the DM only or the DM in consultation with <strong>all</strong> the players"-efan</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 7096640, member: 29398"] This is a key point - most (but not by any means all) RPG systems are either robust enough or flexible enough to withstand some kitbashing; thus if you don't like the way something works you can always change it to suit your preferences. Problems only really arise when a system is so tightly designed* that changing something [I]here[/I] is going to have unavoidable knock-on effects [I]here[/I], [I]here[/I] and [I]here[/I]...each of which then requires its own tweak to bring it back in line, thus causing further knock-ons down the line - until you find you're in fact rebuilding the whole thing from scratch. * - some see this as a feature...which it is but only if the system as written works [B]perfectly[/B] for everyone who wants to play / DM it. I see it as a bug, because the perfect system for everyone does not yet exist (if it did, we'd all be playing it). 3e was bad for this (I say having long-term played in a somewhat-kitbashed 3e game where the knock-on effects eventually became overwhelming) and from what I can tell 4e was also not very easy to modify other than a few very minor things....when it first came out I had a long hard look at it to see if I could modify it into anything I'd ever want to run or play and quickly concluded it'd be easier just to either a) stay with what I already had or b) start over from scratch. 1e and 5e, however, were both designed as mod-able frameworks with the kitbasher squarely in mind, and the DMGs for both call this out. Lan-"and, vaguely back toward topic, kitbashing should be the purview of either the DM only or the DM in consultation with [B]all[/B] the players"-efan [/QUOTE]
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