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<blockquote data-quote="aco175" data-source="post: 8971291" data-attributes="member: 27385">I try to not 'punish' PCs for something I judge the players for.&nbsp; I have a player who is very smart and likes puzzles and riddles and such.&nbsp; If he plays a average fighter and solves everything, then fine.&nbsp; Same for my son who might play a genius mage, but does not know riddles or is able to logic them as well as the other player.&nbsp; Same might be the same for style of play.&nbsp; You have two fighter liking players who also power game.&nbsp; That should not matter if their PC cares enough about the elves to be worthy of using the sword.&nbsp; By making it clear that they are not worthy of getting the cool, shiny, powerful item you might be turning them away from the game.&nbsp; This may also be a reason they do not seem interested in the adventure since they cannot get the cool item.&nbsp; Maybe working with the players to come up with some story and how each may fit in the campaign will help.&nbsp; Maybe planting seeds of other cool items those other Pcs can get will help.There is some other articles and videos about the types of players and how to game with them around.&nbsp; DMing for the quiet casual player or the loud theatre thespian is different and might be worth looking at.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="aco175, post: 8971291, member: 27385"] I try to not 'punish' PCs for something I judge the players for. I have a player who is very smart and likes puzzles and riddles and such. If he plays a average fighter and solves everything, then fine. Same for my son who might play a genius mage, but does not know riddles or is able to logic them as well as the other player. Same might be the same for style of play. You have two fighter liking players who also power game. That should not matter if their PC cares enough about the elves to be worthy of using the sword. By making it clear that they are not worthy of getting the cool, shiny, powerful item you might be turning them away from the game. This may also be a reason they do not seem interested in the adventure since they cannot get the cool item. Maybe working with the players to come up with some story and how each may fit in the campaign will help. Maybe planting seeds of other cool items those other Pcs can get will help. There is some other articles and videos about the types of players and how to game with them around. DMing for the quiet casual player or the loud theatre thespian is different and might be worth looking at. [/QUOTE]

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