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<blockquote data-quote="Egres" data-source="post: 1732070" data-attributes="member: 23200"><p>1)I'm not here to "win",as someone in some boards like to do.</p><p></p><p>I'm here to find the truth.</p><p></p><p>2)The body is different from the creature,yes,and then this prove that the raise dead is bad worded.</p><p></p><p>And then we could raise a Juggernaut,cause the dead creature is only an object.</p><p> </p><p>Actually,he said that since "souls" can say yes or no,they think and then they are active.</p><p></p><p>Ok:english isn't my first language,and then fight with semantic jokes isn't easy at all,but i'll try the same.</p><p></p><p>If we read the PHB's glossary definition of Creature,we find that it must be a <strong>Living</strong> or otherwise <strong>Active being</strong> thing.</p><p></p><p>Note:the primary requisite is that the thing must be <strong>Living</strong>.</p><p></p><p>But the PHB writers know that there are types of creature that can interact with the world but aren't "alive":constructs and undeads.</p><p></p><p>The "otherwise active being" is obviously,by the spirit of the rules, refered to these creatures.</p><p></p><p>Otherwise,a <strong>Living</strong> creature that dies would become...an <em>active being</em>?!? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> </p><p></p><p>And only because it can answer yes or no to a bad worded spell?!?</p><p></p><p>If this isn't against the spirit of the rules, i don't know what "against the spirit of the rules" means.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Only because you say that dead creature are souls.</p><p></p><p>The passage refers to <strong>dead creatures</strong>, something that you didn't define yet.</p><p></p><p>And note that i can show you that dead creatures and souls are different things,using the so much loved Raise Dead spell.</p><p></p><p><em>Raise Dead</em></p><p><em>Conjuration (Healing)</em></p><p><em>Level: Clr 5</em></p><p><em>Components: V, S, M, DF</em></p><p><em>Casting Time: 1 minute</em></p><p><em>Range: Touch</em></p><p><em>Target: <strong>Dead creature touched</strong></em></p><p><em>Duration: Instantaneous</em></p><p><em>Saving Throw: None; see text</em></p><p><em>Spell Resistance: Yes (harmless)</em></p><p><em>You restore life to a <strong>deceased creature</strong>. [...] In addition, the subject’s soul must be free and willing to return. If the <strong>subject’s</strong> soul is not willing to return, the spell does not work; therefore, a subject that wants to return receives no saving throw.</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Egres, post: 1732070, member: 23200"] 1)I'm not here to "win",as someone in some boards like to do. I'm here to find the truth. 2)The body is different from the creature,yes,and then this prove that the raise dead is bad worded. And then we could raise a Juggernaut,cause the dead creature is only an object. Actually,he said that since "souls" can say yes or no,they think and then they are active. Ok:english isn't my first language,and then fight with semantic jokes isn't easy at all,but i'll try the same. If we read the PHB's glossary definition of Creature,we find that it must be a [B]Living[/B] or otherwise [B]Active being[/B] thing. Note:the primary requisite is that the thing must be [B]Living[/B]. But the PHB writers know that there are types of creature that can interact with the world but aren't "alive":constructs and undeads. The "otherwise active being" is obviously,by the spirit of the rules, refered to these creatures. Otherwise,a [B]Living[/B] creature that dies would become...an [I]active being[/I]?!? :confused: And only because it can answer yes or no to a bad worded spell?!? If this isn't against the spirit of the rules, i don't know what "against the spirit of the rules" means. Only because you say that dead creature are souls. The passage refers to [B]dead creatures[/B], something that you didn't define yet. And note that i can show you that dead creatures and souls are different things,using the so much loved Raise Dead spell. [I]Raise Dead Conjuration (Healing) Level: Clr 5 Components: V, S, M, DF Casting Time: 1 minute Range: Touch Target: [B]Dead creature touched[/B] Duration: Instantaneous Saving Throw: None; see text Spell Resistance: Yes (harmless) You restore life to a [B]deceased creature[/B]. [...] In addition, the subject’s soul must be free and willing to return. If the [B]subject’s[/B] soul is not willing to return, the spell does not work; therefore, a subject that wants to return receives no saving throw.[/I] [/QUOTE]
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