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<blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 1733830" data-attributes="member: 20805"><p><strong>What condition is your condition in?</strong></p><p></p><p>Interesting thread... I don't think you will find a 'set in stone by the RAW' answer on this one. The PHB and DMG were written when the idea of a Living Construct was not existant. This addition requires some clarification, adjudment of those rules.</p><p></p><p>Recap:</p><p>By the RAW, an outsider or construct who is slain skips the 'Dead Creature' condition and goes straight to 'Remains'. </p><p>Other characters become 'Dead Creatures', then once thier souls journey to the outer plane is complete their Corpse becomes 'Remains'.</p><p></p><p>Rebutalls:</p><p> Caliban: Per RAW, the only stat adjustment when a character gains the condition of 'Dead' is Con reduced to Zero.</p><p></p><p> Egres: Loss of use of a Feat does not automatically invalidate abilities built on that Feat. It just means he can't Power Attack until he regains his strength. If the you chose to house rule that way, you have nerfed Juggernaughts and made 'Ray of Enfeeblement' the primary combat spell around.</p><p></p><p>Class abilities have nothing to do with it. The question is where does the characters soul go upon death, and how long does it take to get there. Humanoids have souls that travel to the outer planes. Outsiders have souls that are instantly destroyed. Constructs don't have a soul. Living Constructs...do they have souls? If they do, what happens to those souls upon death?</p><p></p><p>I dont have access to my copy of Eberron, perhaps its buried in there somewere. If not....</p><p></p><p>In closing:</p><p> Can Juggernaughts be Resurected? It depends on how you rule the 'Construct Perfection' and how your campaign handles life after Living Construct death and the assorted moral questions related to that.</p><p> Either ===</p><p> no they can't, they either have no soul or their souls are destroyed with their bodies. They only have this life to live and nothing awaits them on the other side of the curtain.</p><p> or</p><p> no they can't, thier souls immediately depart thier bodies and inhabit a Ghostly manifestation on the plane of Doluur. On occasions when the veil of death is thin, they may wander the Prime Material plane as Undead.</p><p> or</p><p> Yes, they are like other beings in the world. They are created with new souls and those souls travel to Doluur as do those of Humanoids and Giants.</p><p> or</p><p> Yes, they are like all other sentient beings in the world. The Creation Forges are part Reincarnation machines and the souls of the Warforged are on thier eternal journey towards perfection. Sometimes a WarForged will remember a previous life, but usually they are blissfully ignorant of past or future potentials.</p><p> or</p><p> You will walk out that door and remember that you don't believe in any of this Fate cr$p.....</p><p> or... a plethora of possibilities..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Primitive Screwhead, post: 1733830, member: 20805"] [b]What condition is your condition in?[/b] Interesting thread... I don't think you will find a 'set in stone by the RAW' answer on this one. The PHB and DMG were written when the idea of a Living Construct was not existant. This addition requires some clarification, adjudment of those rules. Recap: By the RAW, an outsider or construct who is slain skips the 'Dead Creature' condition and goes straight to 'Remains'. Other characters become 'Dead Creatures', then once thier souls journey to the outer plane is complete their Corpse becomes 'Remains'. Rebutalls: Caliban: Per RAW, the only stat adjustment when a character gains the condition of 'Dead' is Con reduced to Zero. Egres: Loss of use of a Feat does not automatically invalidate abilities built on that Feat. It just means he can't Power Attack until he regains his strength. If the you chose to house rule that way, you have nerfed Juggernaughts and made 'Ray of Enfeeblement' the primary combat spell around. Class abilities have nothing to do with it. The question is where does the characters soul go upon death, and how long does it take to get there. Humanoids have souls that travel to the outer planes. Outsiders have souls that are instantly destroyed. Constructs don't have a soul. Living Constructs...do they have souls? If they do, what happens to those souls upon death? I dont have access to my copy of Eberron, perhaps its buried in there somewere. If not.... In closing: Can Juggernaughts be Resurected? It depends on how you rule the 'Construct Perfection' and how your campaign handles life after Living Construct death and the assorted moral questions related to that. Either === no they can't, they either have no soul or their souls are destroyed with their bodies. They only have this life to live and nothing awaits them on the other side of the curtain. or no they can't, thier souls immediately depart thier bodies and inhabit a Ghostly manifestation on the plane of Doluur. On occasions when the veil of death is thin, they may wander the Prime Material plane as Undead. or Yes, they are like other beings in the world. They are created with new souls and those souls travel to Doluur as do those of Humanoids and Giants. or Yes, they are like all other sentient beings in the world. The Creation Forges are part Reincarnation machines and the souls of the Warforged are on thier eternal journey towards perfection. Sometimes a WarForged will remember a previous life, but usually they are blissfully ignorant of past or future potentials. or You will walk out that door and remember that you don't believe in any of this Fate cr$p..... or... a plethora of possibilities.. [/QUOTE]
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