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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Egres" data-source="post: 1734551" data-attributes="member: 23200">Yeah,and just to go against myself,this way showing that i really like to seek the truth and not to "win",i think that perhaps the creature Dex isn't 0.In fact the SRD states:A helpless target is treated as having a Dexterity of 0 (–5 modifier). But we aren't talking about helpless creatures here.I asked for dead creatures.If they can't react at all (unless someone is going to say that they can act in any phisical way), i just can't understand how they could have any Str score.But,just another question (particularly for Caliban and you Hypersmurf):what do you think about the lose-prerequisite-lose-class features thing ?I mean,if we can find a way to get the Str score of the Juggernaut( a living one in this example) below 13,would it lose its class features if we use the CW page 16 rule for you?</blockquote>