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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 6847686" data-attributes="member: 83242">I apologize  I wasn't clear.  I don't want the demon lords to be more epic, I think every CR 21+ monster needs to be beefed up - this my epic updates.  If I came off implying I wanted the demon lords to be unique it was an accident, likely caused by constantly referring to demon lords for this thread.  The funny thing is I have been contemplating recently, "What is the epic level version of the orc or goblin."  I was thinking you can run an epic campaign (above lvl 20) and always be fighting unique demi-gods and such.  I too came to the conclusion though that you don't want to water down the gods with epic orcs <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  I'm considering swarm rules (you fight a demon horde or a flight of dragons) and possibly revising AC progression so CR 15-20 minions can still be a minor threat.Possibly, but that doesn't satisfy my itch to make monsters that can tear down the most powerful of mortals! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Alright now, your just kicking me while I'm down.  A CR 35 Juiblex - never, never I say!  Wait , you said Demon Lord.  Yeah, I can live with that.  I've got a wider range of Demon Lords and Demogorgon is CR 35 on my list, so that sounds about right (of course my CR 35 is not WotC CR 35, so maybe even better)I don't think this is what you mean, but I think maybe I could included two CRs. One with my  table and one based on WotC table.  That might work for me.  I feel the WotC table is wrong and I feel a need to fix it.  However, I see the value of having a number that DMs can relate to.  Something like:  Challenge  CR 26 (CR 32) With one being my version and one being WotC version.  This seems like the fix to me.  This is a lot less work than what I had plan to do (make two versions of each monster having the same CR but modified to work with each table).  Thank you for the inspiration!</blockquote>

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