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<blockquote data-quote="TYPO5478" data-source="post: 2979974" data-attributes="member: 37531"><p>Even though the description of Withdraw specifically prohibits withdrawing "using a form of movement for which you don't have a listed speed"? Any other rules you plan to blatantly break while you're at it?</p><p></p><p>You could adjust the length (and concurrently, the DC) of your jump so that you clear the height of the terrain you're trying to avoid. Just because you're trying to clear a 5 foot space doesn't mean your jump has to be that short.</p><p></p><p>This is a dangerous precedent to set. There are plenty of things that are described as taking a particular action, but not specifically proscribed from other actions. The reason is that associating a particular event with a type of action is generally exclusive. Saying that something "takes a standard action" means it takes a standard action <em>and only a standard action</em>; it doesn't mean it takes a standard action <em>unless you don't have one handy, in which case you can probably use some other type of action</em>. The rules saying that jumping is "part of a move action," means it's part of a move action <em>and nothing else</em>, not that it's part of a move action <em>unless you aren't taking one</em>.</p><p></p><p>I don't disagree that it seems reasonable that a jump could be included in any type of normal movement (i.e. not flying, swimming, climbing, etc.). But the way the rules are written, it can't be unless that movement is part of a Move Action. I can't just change the rules because I disagree with what they say. And neither can you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TYPO5478, post: 2979974, member: 37531"] Even though the description of Withdraw specifically prohibits withdrawing "using a form of movement for which you don't have a listed speed"? Any other rules you plan to blatantly break while you're at it? You could adjust the length (and concurrently, the DC) of your jump so that you clear the height of the terrain you're trying to avoid. Just because you're trying to clear a 5 foot space doesn't mean your jump has to be that short. This is a dangerous precedent to set. There are plenty of things that are described as taking a particular action, but not specifically proscribed from other actions. The reason is that associating a particular event with a type of action is generally exclusive. Saying that something "takes a standard action" means it takes a standard action [I]and only a standard action[/I]; it doesn't mean it takes a standard action [I]unless you don't have one handy, in which case you can probably use some other type of action[/I]. The rules saying that jumping is "part of a move action," means it's part of a move action [I]and nothing else[/I], not that it's part of a move action [I]unless you aren't taking one[/I]. I don't disagree that it seems reasonable that a jump could be included in any type of normal movement (i.e. not flying, swimming, climbing, etc.). But the way the rules are written, it can't be unless that movement is part of a Move Action. I can't just change the rules because I disagree with what they say. And neither can you. [/QUOTE]
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