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<blockquote data-quote="davinei4c" data-source="post: 4600605" data-attributes="member: 77011"><p>I do this all the time. I play in every Monday night at an LFR game. I have a level 4 Drow Artful Dodger with 16 CHA and Defensive Mobility, giving me a 23 AC against OAs.</p><p></p><p>I took Great Leap as my Lvl 2 Utility, I have a +11 Athletics modifier with training, +1 STR modifier, and Skill focus and 1/2 level.</p><p></p><p>I regularly get jump checks of 20 or 25, which provides me a jump action of 4-5 squares, clearing 1 square in height.</p><p></p><p>The DM's usually read this as that I can clear 1 square through the whole jump, since 4e ignores trigonometry everywhere else.</p><p></p><p>I of course take OAs from every enemy I pass, but that's ok, because they rarely hit me. </p><p></p><p>So I usually just use my first round to jump past the front-line and SA the NPC Controller/Leader, then minor Darkness and stealth it so it's harder for them to gank me, then SA the NPC C/L again next round and jump back into the main fight. </p><p></p><p>I don't even have training in Acrobatics, because I've found that Great Leap basically allows me to forget about it. Of course, this is in LFR games at a store, so imaginative DMing is rare.</p><p></p><p>If you want to discourage this, I would recommend not leaving the guy in back alone. I know I don't do this as often if I'm going to land in the middle of a bunch of bad guys, even if they are minions. Rogues specialize in dropping one guy; without a Defender around, I don't want to be surrounded.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="davinei4c, post: 4600605, member: 77011"] I do this all the time. I play in every Monday night at an LFR game. I have a level 4 Drow Artful Dodger with 16 CHA and Defensive Mobility, giving me a 23 AC against OAs. I took Great Leap as my Lvl 2 Utility, I have a +11 Athletics modifier with training, +1 STR modifier, and Skill focus and 1/2 level. I regularly get jump checks of 20 or 25, which provides me a jump action of 4-5 squares, clearing 1 square in height. The DM's usually read this as that I can clear 1 square through the whole jump, since 4e ignores trigonometry everywhere else. I of course take OAs from every enemy I pass, but that's ok, because they rarely hit me. So I usually just use my first round to jump past the front-line and SA the NPC Controller/Leader, then minor Darkness and stealth it so it's harder for them to gank me, then SA the NPC C/L again next round and jump back into the main fight. I don't even have training in Acrobatics, because I've found that Great Leap basically allows me to forget about it. Of course, this is in LFR games at a store, so imaginative DMing is rare. If you want to discourage this, I would recommend not leaving the guy in back alone. I know I don't do this as often if I'm going to land in the middle of a bunch of bad guys, even if they are minions. Rogues specialize in dropping one guy; without a Defender around, I don't want to be surrounded. [/QUOTE]
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