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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5612812" data-attributes="member: 61155">Every single group I've played in has had some trick to minimize minions. Sometimes without even expecting it. Early in 4E, we were playing through Thunderspire Labyrinth. We ran into a room where dozens of demons or some other minions were summoned against us, in a relatively small space. One character had a Lightning Weapon from earlier in the adventure, and unleashed it against the boss - and we discovered that it fried pretty much every minion in the fight.  It is true that every group has its own strengths and weaknesses. But I'm not sure why you think "Just don't use minions" is a better solution than "find a house rule that allows minions to still be used." I mean, I like the concept if minions. I enjoy using them, and players enjoy fighting them. Why shouldn't I try to find a way to keep using them?  Similarly, why shouldn't I find ways to present challenging solos to groups that can stun-lock?  If all of these encounters and elements work for you, that's fantastic. But for those who have had problems with them - and, clearly, quite a few folks have - it seems far more useful to brainstorm ways to use them, rather than just dismiss it as an issue and tell people to just stay away from that element.</blockquote>